Today in this topic, i wanted to talk about rather remixing help kid's learn or is just teaching kid's to make game's related to thing's so then in the future, they will copy other game's and get a copyright notice because the game was to related to an other game and go to jail due to a $250,000 fund from the government? Well after taking a lot of note's and thinking, my answer will be no (why?) well let's just say that i remixed a few games before, but on my last game i remixed, i thought “You know, i think i should stop doing this because all i do is change the character's and sound's and never change ”any“ code's in the project at all, making me have a lack of making my own code's and my own idea's” and yes i did have a lack of imagination back then, but when i stopped, i started to get better, and better, and better and i started to make more original game's because i never related it to another game. I even gotten more better on idea's as well! But every time i look at a remixer who was on scratch for 4 year's, i never see any project's that were not remixed at all. And some remixers never change anything when they remix, even if it's a rule on scratch to never leave a remixed project the same. And heck, a user named @124Scratch made a PAC-MAN project, but then was taken down due to a copyright claim from “the” creator's or PAC-MAN! Evidence here https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Removed_Pac-Man_Project. Witch that also give's more reason why remixing is not educational for kid's because they could do the same thing as what @124Scratch did! So Scratch team, if you are reading this, you should be caution's about this or you will be having over thousand's of kid's doing this in the future.

-DA64

By sharing a Scratch project, it is shared under a Creative Commons license, so that means that people can go and remix it. Because of this, small remixes are fine.

VideoGamerCanInvent wrote:

By sharing a Scratch project, it is shared under a Creative Commons license, so that means that people can go and remix it. Because of this, small remixes are fine.

Oh i know about that, but did you even read the full thing? I was talking about what a person who like's to remix on scratch will do in the future on a different program when they are a adult.

Well, remixing certainly is educational! It helps kids to better understand code, because it lets kids play around with the code so that they can figure out what does what in a project that they want to learn about or modify.


Of course, it depends on what they choose to do with the remixes. They might choose to

Dangerousadventurous wrote:

never change anything when they remix, even if it's a rule on scratch to never leave a remixed project the same.

Or just change the colors. So it all depends on what you do. But if you remix with the intention of learning, it would be educational. So it definitely can be.

lconaway wrote:

Well, remixing certainly is educational! It helps kids to better understand code, because it lets kids play around with the code so that they can figure out what does what in a project that they want to learn about or modify.


Of course, it depends on what they choose to do with the remixes. They might choose to

Dangerousadventurous wrote:

never change anything when they remix, even if it's a rule on scratch to never leave a remixed project the same.

Or just change the colors. So it all depends on what you do. But if you remix with the intention of learning, it would be educational. So it definitely can be.

Well that's not always the reason because there was someone i know who remixed one of my project's and never changed anything or any code's, it even ran the same way. And also a few people did the same thing to. And they somehow still have there project's up, even when i report it to Scratch.

What's with all the apostrophes?

Now before I answer this, I just want to discuss a few points. Firstly, your claim that being allowed to make remixes that wouldn't be allowed under standard copyright law will lead to remixers developing bad habits that will be badly applied in later life. I don't think there is any reason or evidence that this is true, and certainly your claim of ‘thousands of kids’ is an unjustified exaggeration. Secondly, the removed Pac-Man project. Pac-Man is a very popular game which is a educational challenge to make on Scratch. The article does mention its removal was very controversial. I mean, it's not as if it was a major threat to Namco Bandai's profitability. And the project in question wasn't even a remix, so it can't possibly be upheld as an example of remixes leading to bad outcomes in later life.

I agree that people who remix without changing anything are not learning anything. They can and should be reported.

As for the original question, remixes can definitely be educational when used properly. You can learn from other's work, and learn by modifying it.

Dangerousadventurous wrote:

Today in this topic, i wanted to talk about rather remixing help kid's learn or is just teaching kid's to make game's related to thing's so then in the future, they will copy other game's and get a copyright notice because the game was to related to an other game and go to jail due to a $250,000 fund from the government? Well after taking a lot of note's and thinking, my answer will be no (why?) well let's just say that i remixed a few games before, but on my last game i remixed, i thought “You know, i think i should stop doing this because all i do is change the character's and sound's and never change ”any“ code's in the project at all, making me have a lack of making my own code's and my own idea's” and yes i did have a lack of imagination back then, but when i stopped, i started to get better, and better, and better and i started to make more original game's because i never related it to another game. I even gotten more better on idea's as well! But every time i look at a remixer who was on scratch for 4 year's, i never see any project's that were not remixed at all. And some remixers never change anything when they remix, even if it's a rule on scratch to never leave a remixed project the same. And heck, a user named @124Scratch made a PAC-MAN project, but then was taken down due to a copyright claim from “the” creator's or PAC-MAN! Evidence here https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Removed_Pac-Man_Project. Witch that also give's more reason why remixing is not educational for kid's because they could do the same thing as what @124Scratch did! So Scratch team, if you are reading this, you should be caution's about this or you will be having over thousand's of kid's doing this in the future.

-DA64

Professional programmers use other people's code all the time. They don't want to keep reinventing the wheel.

By the way, your idea of remixing just to change the characters and scenery is an idea I am considering now, even though I do my own coding on all my projects. I want to take a game that I like and redo it so it looks entirely different but plays exactly the same way.

Is remixing educational? It depends on how much thought you put into it. What I have done in the past is remix a project and then start changing the variables to see what effect they have. I think it's helped me understand various kinds of coding better. And it's always a thrill to look inside a project and discover there is a way to do some particular thing that you never even thought of.

Paragraphs would be nice.

Remixing is legally permitted by the Creative Commons license.

If the remixer study the programming or experiment with to remix is educational.

cul8er wrote:

What's with all the apostrophes?

Now before I answer this, I just want to discuss a few points. Firstly, your claim that being allowed to make remixes that wouldn't be allowed under standard copyright law will lead to remixers developing bad habits that will be badly applied in later life. I don't think there is any reason or evidence that this is true, and certainly your claim of ‘thousands of kids’ is an unjustified exaggeration. Secondly, the removed Pac-Man project. Pac-Man is a very popular game which is a educational challenge to make on Scratch. The article does mention its removal was very controversial. I mean, it's not as if it was a major threat to Namco Bandai's profitability. And the project in question wasn't even a remix, so it can't possibly be upheld as an example of remixes leading to bad outcomes in later life.

I agree that people who remix without changing anything are not learning anything. They can and should be reported.

As for the original question, remixes can definitely be educational when used properly. You can learn from other's work, and learn by modifying it.

Exactly!

Depends how much they change to how much they learn. Modding pre existing games is becoming more of a thing and ps4 is now making it possible on consoles.