sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

muellly wrote:

sprands wrote:

-snip-

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

No, just no. Roblox is not a good online community. There are copy and paste this messages spamming the comments, “scrolling ads” that are just click bait when you try to scroll them, Eevee is a censored word and the updates make everything worse. Scratch is not Roblox and I hope it doesn't become it. (unless it's the 2010 version before they removed the green dot, roblox was good then. I felt triggered with the bolded in your quote.)

With that out of the way I semi support the suggestion. Maybe just a row on the front page for the ads that changes randomly every time however to many places with adds will be annoying. This will help get a few new viewers to things however to many places with them will be problematic. Also there should be a 1 ad per user limit to prevent people from spamming, with people being able to change their ad as they please.

Thanks for semi-supporting. Also, this isn't the place to complain about Roblox and the fact that you can't say the name of the pokemon.

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

sprands wrote:

Deerleg wrote:

The closest thing we have to the kind of advertisements you describe is signatures on the forums. I think that should be enough if one takes the time to become involved with the forums community.

Otherwise, I think that if you put your projects in the appropriate studios, use your signature, tags, and whatever other advertising options are available, with time you will eventually make it. It took me a couple years to really get anywhere, but once things start they will begin to snowball.

Ok, let's face it, the forums and studios just don't help as good as REAL ADS.

We need these things to display to people. And when I say people, I mean most of the people on Scratch will have a chance to see the ad. These are meant to help people find the projects, so that they can get into the featured section and get more recognition. The ads are a chance to let every Scratcher see people's talent. Who knows, if this gets added, I might go on a page-refreshing spree to find some good projects. This will benefit everyone. Forums? Studios? Many people on Scratch won't see those.

Like Charles12310 said, the goal of Scratch isn't to get popular fast. It shouldn't matter how fast you get to the endgoal. As long as you make good projects and use the advertising we already have, you'll get there eventually.

Read my post above, I said it's not about popularity, it's about helping people get noticed. Again, the advertising we already have is absolutely USELESS to half of the people on this site. The forums are a small community, and a lot of studios don't get recognition from half of the community. We need more.

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

We know but ads are not the only way to get out projects noticed.

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

We know but ads are not the only way to get out projects noticed.

What else, BESIDES the forums or studios? Spamming on features? There's really no good ways.

sprands wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

We know but ads are not the only way to get out projects noticed.

What else, BESIDES the forums or studios? Spamming on features? There's really no good ways.

That doesn't mean ads could be allowed. 99% I think Scratch Team rejects ads. These days nobody clicks on ads or even listens to them. It's no use. Most people ignore them.

Listen, if you are trying to force me with an example, it's not going to help change my mind, you know? If you are going to exclude forums and studios, there is no way for our projects to be noticeable.

Deerleg wrote:

sprands wrote:

Deerleg wrote:

The closest thing we have to the kind of advertisements you describe is signatures on the forums. I think that should be enough if one takes the time to become involved with the forums community.

Otherwise, I think that if you put your projects in the appropriate studios, use your signature, tags, and whatever other advertising options are available, with time you will eventually make it. It took me a couple years to really get anywhere, but once things start they will begin to snowball.

Ok, let's face it, the forums and studios just don't help as good as REAL ADS.

We need these things to display to people. And when I say people, I mean most of the people on Scratch will have a chance to see the ad. These are meant to help people find the projects, so that they can get into the featured section and get more recognition. The ads are a chance to let every Scratcher see people's talent. Who knows, if this gets added, I might go on a page-refreshing spree to find some good projects. This will benefit everyone. Forums? Studios? Many people on Scratch won't see those.

Like Charles12310 said, the goal of Scratch isn't to get popular fast. It shouldn't matter how fast you get to the endgoal. As long as you make good projects and use the advertising we already have, you'll get there eventually.

I agree.

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

We know but ads are not the only way to get out projects noticed.

What else, BESIDES the forums or studios? Spamming on features? There's really no good ways.

That doesn't mean ads could be allowed. 99% I think Scratch Team rejects ads. These days nobody clicks on ads or even listens to them. It's no use. Most people ignore them.

Listen, if you are trying to force me with an example, it's not going to help change my mind, you know? If you are going to exclude forums and studios, there is no way for our projects to be noticeable.

That's what i'm saying. Again, it's not about popularity, people want more of the community to notice the hard work they put in for EVERYONE, not just 7 to 21 people.

Also, ads aren't really rejected, read the WNTS iTopic.

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

sprands wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

sprands wrote:

LionHeart70:
No support, for reasons above.
It'd get annoying and I don't want to see ads everywhere. Why not just advertise your project in the Show And Tell forums?

First of all, Show and Tell forums? You haven't read my original argument, when I said those didn't help. I'm assuming you just read “advertisments”.

Also, I don't see how it will be annoying. Look at Roblox. One, Roblox-related ad on the side of the page, is that too much to ask?

Well, the Show And Tell forums are literally a designated place to advertise. You can also advertise by making one of your projects your featured project, or adding the link to it to your signature. People still look at those, and Scratch isn't about popularity anyway.
And how it'd be annoying is that Scratch is designed to be ad-free and everyone wants to keep it that way, I can see many complaints if ads suddenly appeared, it might even freak out a few users for a second because they think they have malware/adware
Also, Scratch isn't Roblox. There's no need to turn it into Roblox.
(sorry if this was offensive at all)

I'm not turning Scratch into Roblox. I'm simply trying to help model this website like another good online community.

But barely any sites have this function, and they work fine.

Barely any other sites are online communities where people can make stuff and share it to others. You have nothing to compare this to.

I feel like Scratch has rejected the suggestion of adding ads to the site, anyway. Could be for the reasons provided above. Like Charles12310 said:

Charles12310 wrote:

Scratch's purpose was not so people could get popular right away. The purpose was for people to enjoy what users have experimented, and experiment stuff. We are not here to try to fight to #1 in the leaderboard. We can't just have ads appear and expect people to click on them right away when they first see it at the tip of their eyes. That is not how it works. Most people ignore ads these days.

That ad is going to help people. This isn't about popularity. Don't you think people are going to want to get noticed?

We know but ads are not the only way to get out projects noticed.

What else, BESIDES the forums or studios? Spamming on features? There's really no good ways.

That doesn't mean ads could be allowed. 99% I think Scratch Team rejects ads. These days nobody clicks on ads or even listens to them. It's no use. Most people ignore them.

Listen, if you are trying to force me with an example, it's not going to help change my mind, you know? If you are going to exclude forums and studios, there is no way for our projects to be noticeable.

That's what i'm saying. Again, it's not about popularity, people want more of the community to notice the hard work they put in for EVERYONE, not just 7 to 21 people.

Also, ads aren't really rejected, read the WNTS iTopic.

I know. It's just that ads won't work.

sprands wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

Oh, I don't know, they're similar things.. but if you don't want this to become a heated argument/flamewar, just don't try to shove your opinions at other people if they disagree, it might make things worse.

SilverSamoyed wrote:

sprands wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

Oh, I don't know, they're similar things.. but if you don't want this to become a heated argument/flamewar, just don't try to shove your opinions at other people if they disagree, it might make things worse.

I'm not shoving my opinions at people, i'm just being determined. Who says people can't argue in the forums? Discussion, debate.

Scratch isn't ABOUT recognition, but we all know everyone wants it.

SilverSamoyed wrote:

sprands wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

Oh, I don't know, they're similar things.. but if you don't want this to become a heated argument/flamewar, just don't try to shove your opinions at other people if they disagree, it might make things worse.

Yeah. Even if ads are allowed, I still would not approve it.

Charles12310 wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

sprands wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

Oh, I don't know, they're similar things.. but if you don't want this to become a heated argument/flamewar, just don't try to shove your opinions at other people if they disagree, it might make things worse.

Yeah. Even if ads are allowed, I still would not approve it.

I really don't know what's wrong with the ad idea, I mean, they're unobtrusive. Unless you're the 0.5% of scratchers who ate easily disheartened, an ad can't hurt.

sprands wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

sprands wrote:

SilverSamoyed wrote:

This might be turning into a flamewar.. seriously, should I ask for this to be closed?

Nope, not a flamewar. Just a heated discussion…I might close it soon though, it's not goin' good.

Oh, I don't know, they're similar things.. but if you don't want this to become a heated argument/flamewar, just don't try to shove your opinions at other people if they disagree, it might make things worse.

Yeah. Even if ads are allowed, I still would not approve it.

I really don't know what's wrong with the ad idea, I mean, they're unobtrusive. Unless you're the 0.5% of scratchers who ate easily disheartened, an ad can't hurt.

Just please…drop it for now.

Firstly, putting a new link in the top navigation bar will get some other link people use often removed. Something like that just happened, and the forums responded accordingly. I think the advertise button can be put on the user's profile page, either near the featured project button or where the follow button would be.

Secondly, I don't think putting ads on the sides of the website would be a good idea. It won't show up on phones and it'll ruin the overall design of the website. Instead, I think ads should be put on project pages where the remixes and studios are (or in a drawer on the bottom), in the forums between posts, on the front page as its own row, or get prioritised over your other projects the explore section.

Thirdly, like signatures, I think every user should only get one advertisement that links to a project (only projects, for simplicity), which is chosen via a process similar to choosing a featured project for profiles.

I think the ads would just be the thumbnail, the name, and its creator put in a special frame (depending on where it is). Advertisements can either be reported on the project pages and/or on the ad itself.

Sheep_maker wrote:

Firstly, putting a new link in the top navigation bar will get some other link people use often removed. Something like that just happened, and the forums responded accordingly. I think the advertise button can be put on the user's profile page, either near the featured project button or where the follow button would be.

Secondly, I don't think putting ads on the sides of the website would be a good idea. It won't show up on phones and it'll ruin the overall design of the website. Instead, I think ads should be put on project pages where the remixes and studios are (or in a drawer on the bottom), in the forums between posts, on the front page as its own row, or get prioritised over your other projects the explore section.

Thirdly, like signatures, I think every user should only get one advertisement that links to a project (only projects, for simplicity), which is chosen via a process similar to choosing a featured project for profiles.

I think the ads would just be the thumbnail, the name, and its creator put in a special frame (depending on where it is). Advertisements can either be reported on the project pages and/or on the ad itself.

Good touchup on my original idea. I support all of your additions.