TurtleyCreations wrote:

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PhirripSyrrip wrote:

Are “add everything” studios really that useless?
A quote from a Scratcher who is pro-add-everything:

They are a good way of sharing your videos. Lots of people go on the studio so loads of people see your vids.

Ignoring the fact that s/he seems to think Scratch = YouTube, this is a common argument for why they should be allowed. But is it really true?

I went to the most popular “add everything” studio that I could be bothered to find (133 followers) and viewed a few projects. Most had 10-30 views. There were a few more popular ones but it would seen that they were positively correlated to user-popularity instead of their presence in the “add everything” studio. I then viewed some projects of some perhaps less well-known Scratchers that follow me and found that they too had 10-30 views and were not added in any of these “add everything” studios. Criticise me if my methods are faulty but my conclusion is that the arguments of the Scratcher I quoted above are wrong. “Add everything” studios do not increase views for “vids”.

The problem is that popular studios like the one that I linked to have such a fast rate of adding projects and so are less likely to be seen. Less popular ones with a lower rate of adding projects have fewer followers to view them.

But I ask myself if the projects in “add everything” studios are really meant to be viewed? I'm pretty sure that they're not. Rather, the purpose I think is because people who curate these studios only focus on the numbers. They only care about the number of followers, the number of projects and they don't seem to think about the impacts made in point one of this post.

PhirripSyrrip wrote:

I think that on this side of the argument, people are just getting impatient. This week especially, there have been lots of projects outlining the problems of Add Everything studios, and I think it is that that is making people on this side of the argument more eager than ever to get rid of Add Everything studios entirely. What would help is if we got some sort of notice about progress being made- if the ST say “we're thinking about it”, then I think more people can wait before raiding other studios. But so far, I think that your comment “We realize that there is a lot of animosity regarding the state of Add Everything studios” has been the only real response from a Scratch Team member regarding the current situation.

The people on the other side of the debate I find much more aggressive and, frankly, impossible to communicate with, although I may be biased. I think that they are just getting unnecessarily angry over the situation, and have probably misunderstood the aim of this “campaign”.

crainstudios wrote:

sigh, youll never learn.

seanbobe wrote:

we seem to have a problem i will let a scratcher say it. SAY IT!!
http://scratch.mit.edu/studios/243609/projects/
sadly they trample our comments with flagging.
i will go undercover as a new scratcher called chessking to try to communicate

Chainmanner wrote:

crainstudios wrote:

sigh, youll never learn.

Judging by your recent activity, you're probably just saying that because we're saying things you don't want to hear.

chessking123 wrote:

seanbobe wrote:

we seem to have a problem i will let a scratcher say it. SAY IT!!
http://scratch.mit.edu/studios/243609/projects/
sadly they trample our comments with flagging.
i will go undercover as a new scratcher called chessking to try to communicate

wish me luck!

PhOno wrote:

Whoah whoah whoah! What is with the unnecessary drama, both sides?

crainstudios wrote:

sigh, youll never learn.

cheddargirl wrote:

Drama creates more drama. Unnecessary drama creates even more unnecessary drama. And a whole heap of unnecessary drama makes the site more unfriendly and the ST gets less stuff done as a result. It ends up affecting everyone in the end, even those not involved. I'm pretty sure no one wants that over some suggestion that turned into an aggressive campaign of sorts, especially if the suggestion was for an issue that was pretty well tolerated for a long time and can wait a little longer.

chessking123 wrote:

seanbobe wrote:

we seem to have a problem i will let a scratcher say it. SAY IT!!
http://scratch.mit.edu/studios/243609/projects/
sadly they trample our comments with flagging.
i will go undercover as a new scratcher called chessking to try to communicate

wish me luck!

crainstudios wrote:

this is mean and heartless

seanbobe wrote:

crainstudios wrote:

this is mean and heartless

how is it “mean and heartless” to make scratch motto easier to follow?

cheddargirl wrote:

PhirripSyrrip wrote:

I think that on this side of the argument, people are just getting impatient. This week especially, there have been lots of projects outlining the problems of Add Everything studios, and I think it is that that is making people on this side of the argument more eager than ever to get rid of Add Everything studios entirely. What would help is if we got some sort of notice about progress being made- if the ST say “we're thinking about it”, then I think more people can wait before raiding other studios. But so far, I think that your comment “We realize that there is a lot of animosity regarding the state of Add Everything studios” has been the only real response from a Scratch Team member regarding the current situation.

Well, of course, as we have other more pressing issues to consider. AE studios have been tolerated for a pretty long time, I'm pretty sure you guys can wait a little longer until we get our more pressing issues resolved first before the ST gets to thinking about this one.

The people on the other side of the debate I find much more aggressive and, frankly, impossible to communicate with, although I may be biased. I think that they are just getting unnecessarily angry over the situation, and have probably misunderstood the aim of this “campaign”.

Very quite biased! Few (if any) have tried to consider how this affects AE users. Try to imagine you have an AE studio and built it up for a long time and now you encounter some projects and comments that are anti-AE, with suggestions saying that AE studios are to be blocked or limited or merged or less visible - and since the first post enumerates as many AE studios as possible in the first post of the thread, a link to their studio on the list is now seen as a target for attack.

Because of the aggressiveness of the anti-AE movement, the fight, as I have seen it so far, is the same on either end, with people being overly aggressive and impatient to either implement the “campaign” or end it. Drama creates more drama. Unnecessary drama creates even more unnecessary drama. And a whole heap of unnecessary drama makes the site more unfriendly and the ST gets less stuff done as a result. It ends up affecting everyone in the end, even those not involved. I'm pretty sure no one wants that over some suggestion that turned into an aggressive campaign of sorts, especially if the suggestion was for an issue that was pretty well tolerated for a long time and can wait a little longer.

It's just that when I wrote this topic, it really looked like this was an issue being overlooked- I knew lots of people were unhappy about this, yet I couldn't find any evidence that the ST were going to take any action. I thought that perhaps you didn't exactly know the reasons that people such as myself don't like AE studios

cheeseeater wrote:

Just because we disagree with these studio, for our resons, we have had flamers and all stuff! Just becuse they disagree with us they are calling us “mean and heartless”. We respect them, they need to respect us. We don't go to their campain and call them mean and heartless. I feel that just because they are on a computer, they feel that they can say what they like. Respect please! I have a very strong opinion on respect on scratch and real life. I also get my feelings hurt alot when trying to debate this issue. I know this sounds quite mean, but i tell you, i am no meany!
Maybe if we calmed down and made our points in a calm and respectful way, we might get each other. But if you “mean and heartless”, thats not helping.

Thanks for reading, cheeseeater