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- NinjaStar123
- Scratcher
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Featured Projects and Effort
Every time I look at the featured projects, it's one of those “make a food!” things, or something basic. People say “good effort”, but they only take a minute of their time to make something. Not to flog the users who make those projects, but you should put some serious time into those projects. Then, it'll be worth featuring.
And featured projects shouldn't be of a well-known Scratcher, users breath down their necks too much, so they know when their projects are shared. I mean the good Scratchers who aren't well-known. They deserve acknowledgement, too. Even if you aren't the best artist or programmer, put effort into it. I don't mean “Ugh, five minutes, I'm done.” , because that's pathetic. If you can't put some effort, you shouldn't be a Scratcher, because projects need effort to be true projects.
Effort is makes you a true Scratcher.
And featured projects shouldn't be of a well-known Scratcher, users breath down their necks too much, so they know when their projects are shared. I mean the good Scratchers who aren't well-known. They deserve acknowledgement, too. Even if you aren't the best artist or programmer, put effort into it. I don't mean “Ugh, five minutes, I'm done.” , because that's pathetic. If you can't put some effort, you shouldn't be a Scratcher, because projects need effort to be true projects.
Effort is makes you a true Scratcher.
- chrissaisanidiot
- Scratcher
100+ posts
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Those projects are well creative. It's not easy to make a game like that, and even if it was, the ST accepts simple projects.
Anything is accepted, from personality quizzes, music videos and sport team propaganda.
Anything is accepted, from personality quizzes, music videos and sport team propaganda.
- NinjaStar123
- Scratcher
43 posts
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Personality quizzes I am fine with, it's those “Make a hotdog/hambuger” or simple 1 minute projects that annoy me. Not everything in the featured projects is bad.
- MegaApuTurkUltra
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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Project I see fall into a few categories Personality quizzes I am fine with, it's those “Make a hotdog/hambuger” or simple 1 minute projects that annoy me. Not everything in the featured projects is bad.
- Projects that really deserve to be featured but aren't. Examples: griffpatch's 3D laser tag, DadOfMrLog's 3D rendering stuff, (perhaps my 3D rendering stuff)
- Projects that are featured when it would take me about 5 minutes max, to entirely replicate them. These make up about 20% of featured projects.
- Projects that are featured and look like they have enough effort put into them to be featured (yay!). These make up about 5% of featured projects.
- Infinite runners that are featured. The ST loves these for some reason. Easily 40% of featured projects. (OK maybe I exaggerated, but I see these all the time)
- The other 25% is projects that are featured and have a moderate amount of effort put into them, but still not enough for me to really think they should be featured.
I mean I understand that featuring, my 3D stuff for example (or DOML's, or griffpatch's, or other peoples') would maybe make less experienced Scratchers annoyed, but I think that featuring projects that literally took 1 minute to make is not right.
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- Zro716
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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“these projects look like they were made by 10 year olds!!!1!1!”
that's because they are made by 10 year olds. no offense but kids have different expectations for themselves than adults do, and it's no good to call out someone for making a “simple” project, because from their perspective they put real effort into it
that's because they are made by 10 year olds. no offense but kids have different expectations for themselves than adults do, and it's no good to call out someone for making a “simple” project, because from their perspective they put real effort into it
As a long time Scratcher, I have found new meaning to the name “Scratch”: for me, it means to “scratch that itch”, to come back again and again to realize new ideas in this toy language, even when I'm capable of creating my projects in real programming languages years later. It's a friend that helped me to pursue programming and get me to enjoy its fruit. I'm certain many others who have walked this path as well have grown fond of its importance in their life.
- Iditaroid
- Scratcher
500+ posts
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A big factor they look at when featuring is remixability. If a project is easy to remix, then it's good for the Featured section!
- joshuaho
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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The Scratch Team reserves the right to feature anything they want, regardless of their quality, whether or not they meet the requirements for being featured or how simple or complex it is.
I think Paddle2See explains it quite well below:
I think Paddle2See explains it quite well below:
The Scratch Team thought it showed a good use of Scratch so they featured it. We feature many different kinds of projects made by Scratchers of many different experience levels. Our hope is that some of the projects will appeal and perhaps inspire others. If you don't find one particular project appealing, that is not surprising - just move on to the next
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- NinjaStar123
- Scratcher
43 posts
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Apparently everyone disagrees. Like always.
And when I say 1 minute, I don't literally mean that. I also respect the Scratch Team, of course. I respect their right of choice; they control the site. I also see that they want novice Scratchers to be noticed on the website. I just don't like seeing all of these people with awesome projects get no appreciation.
And I don't like easily remix-able projects being featured. When a remix is featured, it's usually hardly changed at all. And that's a large lack of effort there.
And when I say 1 minute, I don't literally mean that. I also respect the Scratch Team, of course. I respect their right of choice; they control the site. I also see that they want novice Scratchers to be noticed on the website. I just don't like seeing all of these people with awesome projects get no appreciation.
And I don't like easily remix-able projects being featured. When a remix is featured, it's usually hardly changed at all. And that's a large lack of effort there.
- Deerleg
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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The point of the featured row is to inspire others. That accounts for the remixability. Apparently everyone disagrees. Like always.
And when I say 1 minute, I don't literally mean that. I also respect the Scratch Team, of course. I respect their right of choice; they control the site. I also see that they want novice Scratchers to be noticed on the website. I just don't like seeing all of these people with awesome projects get no appreciation.
And I don't like easily remix-able projects being featured. When a remix is featured, it's usually hardly changed at all. And that's a large lack of effort there.
- AgentCNF
- Scratcher
100+ posts
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I totally agree. Most of the time, I don't even look at featured projects because I know that they aren't really the best projects. It seems like “featured” projects would be some of the best, but they're just not. I've been frustrated with the ST's choices for featured projects for a long time now. Even though a majority of us want to see high-end, good quality projects in the featured section, the ST just won't do it. That is why skilled Scratchers who try hard to make amazing projects will never get the honor of being featured.
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- CatsUnited
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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Actually, they made good starter projects, and the ST like simple projects. However, I do agree, they need a little bit more hardcore stuff on there (not too much though as that'll put off newbs). Personality quizzes I am fine with, it's those “Make a hotdog/hambuger” or simple 1 minute projects that annoy me. Not everything in the featured projects is bad.
Welp, I'll know what I'm doing next! “these projects look like they were made by 10 year olds!!!1!1!”
that's because they are made by 10 year olds. no offense but kids have different expectations for themselves than adults do, and it's no good to call out someone for making a “simple” project, because from their perspective they put real effort into it
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- OmnipotentPotato
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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The ST gets probably 80% of the projects they feature from the suggestions thread, so blame the community. You suggest bad projects to be featured, bad projects to be featured. You suggest good projects to be featured, good projects get featured.
- cheddargirl
- Scratch Team
1000+ posts
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It's rather trite and harsh to assume that users who are on the Featured Row aren't putting effort into their projects. As Zro716 hinted at earlier, expectations are going to be different among different age groups. It's also important to note that the same issue is at play when considering that not everyone has the same programming skill level, and what one will see as simple will not be the same to another user. It's prejudicial to not think of other users as not a true Scratcher if they don't meet your qualifications.
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
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- Prinseskat
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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You've got a point on effort and skill level, and I see why you feature simpler projects. I don't know, the thing is there are projects that took time to make with little popularity, and compared to featured projects with 1000+ love its it seems a bit unfair. Ah well, it's not about fame I guess. It's rather trite and harsh to assume that users who are on the Featured Row aren't putting effort into their projects. As Zro716 hinted at earlier, expectations are going to be different among different age groups. It's also important to note that the same issue is at play when considering that not everyone has the same programming skill level, and what one will see as simple will not be the same to another user. It's prejudicial to not think of other users as not a true Scratcher if they don't meet your qualifications.
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
haha funny kumquat meme
- CatsUnited
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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Okay. Anyway, my previous post has gone invalid. Scratch is coding for kids and I think of it as , well Idk, but there are complicated projects as well. The featured row does have quite a broad spectrum of projects. It's rather trite and harsh to assume that users who are on the Featured Row aren't putting effort into their projects. As Zro716 hinted at earlier, expectations are going to be different among different age groups. It's also important to note that the same issue is at play when considering that not everyone has the same programming skill level, and what one will see as simple will not be the same to another user. It's prejudicial to not think of other users as not a true Scratcher if they don't meet your qualifications.
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
Last edited by CatsUnited (Feb. 28, 2015 07:58:19)
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- chrissaisanidiot
- Scratcher
100+ posts
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That cake making game is well good anyway. I can see why someone suggested it to be featured.
- NinjaStar123
- Scratcher
43 posts
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It's rather trite and harsh to assume that users who are on the Featured Row aren't putting effort into their projects. As Zro716 hinted at earlier, expectations are going to be different among different age groups. It's also important to note that the same issue is at play when considering that not everyone has the same programming skill level, and what one will see as simple will not be the same to another user. It's prejudicial to not think of other users as not a true Scratcher if they don't meet your qualifications.
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
I see your point, but some people are capable of better if the just put their minds to it. Some just don't even try at all. Shouldn't the team have a rating form for projects, and those who pass are acceptable as feature-able? I just really hate that some people slack and get featured, but people who work hard don't.
- CatsUnited
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
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Nice idea (Some projects I have are weird simple projects whilst others are hardcore), but we've said it for ages - the ST can feature what they want, so a complicated project may not pass yet a simple one does.It's rather trite and harsh to assume that users who are on the Featured Row aren't putting effort into their projects. As Zro716 hinted at earlier, expectations are going to be different among different age groups. It's also important to note that the same issue is at play when considering that not everyone has the same programming skill level, and what one will see as simple will not be the same to another user. It's prejudicial to not think of other users as not a true Scratcher if they don't meet your qualifications.
Most users forget or dismiss the fact that Scratch was intended for kids and those new to programming, that the Featured Row was intended to show off the diversity of projects on the Scratch website, and that everyone has a different spectrum of what is considered to be a “good” project. One's perceived expectation of a “good” project isn't always going to be same as another's, and we don't expect that everyone will like what they see for Featured. But if you're disappointed in the Featured Project of the day, then it's best to just chalk it up to differences and move on.
In the end, it doesn't make sense to vent about how the Featured Row is not showing of the projects that best fits your criteria, as there will always be others who will disagree. Instead, follow users whose projects and faves interest you. Find a studio whose topic you enjoy. Click on the tags of projects you faved and see where that leads you. Type in a project subject you're interested in and see what pops-up. You're not going to find that you want if you're not constantly putting effort into searching for it, after all. And if you're just relying on the Featured Row (or even the front page in general) to show you want you want, well, you're kinda left to “flog” yourself for not putting greater effort into the search, eh? ;P
I see your point, but some people are capable of better if the just put their minds to it. Some just don't even try at all. Shouldn't the team have a rating form for projects, and those who pass are acceptable as feature-able? I just really hate that some people slack and get featured, but people who work hard don't.
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