Remove sub-pixels 23:2 support ratio

ShadowFlareX

See, scratch has a ‘sub pixel’ system. Basically, a sub pixel is a kind of pixel thats too small for the paintbrush to access directly. They only show up by blurring into other pixels, and don't really serve much purpose.

That's not my problem with sub-pixels though. What I find to be the most hindering is that, regardless of whether a graphic uses sub-pixels or not, it will multiply to twice the size to accommodate these (which may not even exist) when exporting, meaning they must be shrunk using the graphics editor. Which is a daunting task. Trust me, I've tried.

So… remove sub pixels or remove resizing.
Preferably remove sub pixels entirely.

EDIT: A problem I'd ignored when making this thread is the fact that all projects made prior to the ‘anti-subpixelization’ patch would become broken in some way

The fix would be to convert all graphics using subpixels normal ones, where pixels occupied with multiple colors become the average of it's parts (which is essentially what subpixels do anyways)

Last edited by ShadowFlareX (April 9, 2016 21:17:02)

JamesOuO

Honestly, why hasn't this been added yet? Making pixel art with these is a pain, it upscales things x2 when you export them, and they take (minimal but still there) extra processing power.
Support, and add soon please.

ShadowFlareX

JamesOuO wrote:
Honestly, why hasn't this been added yet? Making pixel art with these is a pain, it upscales things x2 when you export them, and they take (minimal but still there) extra processing power.
Support, and add soon please.

Oh yay support.

#First responders

CosmicSans

Full support! I hate having these.

Scratchifier

I agree with this suggestion. The bitmap editor could use some work… a lot of work.

Personally I don't see how it's even the default choice for the editor every single time you make a sprite… it is so glitchy that it's got to frustrate so many new Scratchers… the ST should really fix it or set the not-as-glitchy (only about four glitches that I know of) Vector Editor as the default editor upon sprite creation. Or at least add an option to change this in account settings, but of course that's another suggestion by its own…

So yes, 100000% support for any work done on the bitmap editor.

ShadowFlareX

Scratchifier wrote:
I agree with this suggestion. The bitmap editor could use some work… a lot of work.

Personally I don't see how it's even the default choice for the editor every single time you make a sprite… it is so glitchy that it's got to frustrate so many new Scratchers… the ST should really fix it or set the not-as-glitchy (only about four glitches that I know of) Vector Editor as the default editor upon sprite creation. Or at least add an option to change this in account settings, but of course that's another suggestion by its own…

So yes, 100000% support for any work done on the bitmap editor.

Going along with this, upgrade the accuracy of selecting vertices in vector. I'm sick of clicking on the right side of a square and bringing the left side all the way over :V

Scratchifier

ShadowFlareX wrote:
Scratchifier wrote:
I agree with this suggestion. The bitmap editor could use some work… a lot of work.

Personally I don't see how it's even the default choice for the editor every single time you make a sprite… it is so glitchy that it's got to frustrate so many new Scratchers… the ST should really fix it or set the not-as-glitchy (only about four glitches that I know of) Vector Editor as the default editor upon sprite creation. Or at least add an option to change this in account settings, but of course that's another suggestion by its own…

So yes, 100000% support for any work done on the bitmap editor.
Going along with this, upgrade the accuracy of selecting vertices in vector. I'm sick of clicking on the right side of a square and bringing the left side all the way over :V

I'm not quite sure what you mean… do you mean when you have a small shape and try to add a point, and it adds one for you… on the opposite side? Other than that I am not aware of any problems with the reshape tool…

ShadowFlareX

Scratchifier wrote:
ShadowFlareX wrote:
Scratchifier wrote:
I agree with this suggestion. The bitmap editor could use some work… a lot of work.

Personally I don't see how it's even the default choice for the editor every single time you make a sprite… it is so glitchy that it's got to frustrate so many new Scratchers… the ST should really fix it or set the not-as-glitchy (only about four glitches that I know of) Vector Editor as the default editor upon sprite creation. Or at least add an option to change this in account settings, but of course that's another suggestion by its own…

So yes, 100000% support for any work done on the bitmap editor.
Going along with this, upgrade the accuracy of selecting vertices in vector. I'm sick of clicking on the right side of a square and bringing the left side all the way over :V
I'm not quite sure what you mean… do you mean when you have a small shape and try to add a point, and it adds one for you… on the opposite side? Other than that I am not aware of any problems with the reshape tool…

That precisely.

CatsUnited

Support! (Even though I barely use bitmap anyway)

stickfiregames

No support to completely remove subpixels.
Support to have an option to enable/disable them.

Critic2100

Support!

Iditaroid

stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.

Why not? I've never seen any bitmap editing software that has these, and I don't understand their purpose.

ShadowFlareX

stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.
Support to have an option to enable/disable them.

Eh? Why not?

stickfiregames

Iditaroid wrote:
stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.
Why not? I've never seen any bitmap editing software that has these, and I don't understand their purpose.

ShadowFlareX wrote:
stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.
Support to have an option to enable/disable them.
Eh? Why not?

They allow for higher quality graphics when resizing sprites or viewing fullscreen.

Rex208

Support. Sub-pixels are annoying. -_-

GyroscopeBill

CatsUnited wrote:
Support! (Even though I barely use bitmap anyway)

ShadowFlareX

stickfiregames wrote:
Iditaroid wrote:
stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.
Why not? I've never seen any bitmap editing software that has these, and I don't understand their purpose.
ShadowFlareX wrote:
stickfiregames wrote:
No support to completely remove subpixels.
Support to have an option to enable/disable them.
Eh? Why not?
They allow for higher quality graphics when resizing sprites or viewing full screen.

The cons outweigh the pros-
Messed up file downloads,
Annoying imperfections,
And a Bad AA system too. (anti-aliasing)

While we're at it I might as well request that the auto AA be removed for lines, circles and the like.

cheddargirl

JamesOuO wrote:
Honestly, why hasn't this been added yet? Making pixel art with these is a pain, it upscales things x2 when you export them, and they take (minimal but still there) extra processing power.
Support, and add soon please.

I've been trying to push the developers on this for some time, it is sadly on the low end of their To-Do list.

More support for this would definitely help bring it up on the list.

ShadowFlareX

cheddargirl wrote:
JamesOuO wrote:
Honestly, why hasn't this been added yet? Making pixel art with these is a pain, it upscales things x2 when you export them, and they take (minimal but still there) extra processing power.
Support, and add soon please.
I've been trying to push the developers on this for some time, it is sadly on the low end of their To-Do list.

More support for this would definitely help bring it up on the list.

That's nice to know -.-
^That statement is supposed to sound positive.

Last edited by ShadowFlareX (Feb. 18, 2015 09:06:36)

LionsStair

Support…

Hate them

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