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hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

for people that use emojis. just don’t copy the emoji to your clipboard. that’s simple.


and not capitalizing letters is a habit I do bc I feel like it. But if I want to use caps I just do and it happens
eh emoji keyboard
not capitalizing letters is also a habit of mine. but i never capitalize it even if i say i should
that can happen to others too
that’s an entire page of battling over some quirks. humanity is fun /j

Last edited by hydrofungus (Nov. 16, 2024 02:28:59)

han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

portalpower wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

put posting typing quirks is also harmless so yeah
The OP and many, many of the other posts in this topic have been talking about how harmful they are and how there's no benefit. If you need to see why just look at any of those posts.
I agree. Let’s weigh the pros and cons here

PROS:
May increase accessibility
May decrease attention seeking
May make the site less annoying for some
May encourage people to seek assistance with issues that are causing them to have to post typing quirks

CONS:
May make people annoyed
WILL take some getting used to
Honey_Dreamz
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

and not capitalizing letters is a habit I do bc I feel like it. But if I want to use caps I just do and it happens
Exactly as are typing quirk symbols, you see–well, at least for me that's the best explanation I guess
han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

Honey_Dreamz wrote:

han614698 wrote:

and not capitalizing letters is a habit I do bc I feel like it. But if I want to use caps I just do and it happens
Exactly as are typing quirk symbols, you see–well, at least for me that's the best explanation I guess
But I thought that you had to because of OCD
hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

I agree. Let’s weigh the pros and cons here

PROS:
May increase accessibility
May decrease attention seeking
May make the site less annoying for some
May encourage people to seek assistance with issues that are causing them to have to post typing quirks

CONS:
May make people annoyed
WILL take some getting used to
that is NOT attention seeking behavior
no one is going “look at me” by typing letters with numbers replaced
“seek assistance”? do i need to seek assistance if i. if i pause in a sentence?
and what if it’s something like autism? you can’t cure autism can you?
the pros already have 2 very flawed reasons y’know
portalpower
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

hydrofungus wrote:

portalpower wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

put posting typing quirks is also harmless so yeah
The OP and many, many of the other posts in this topic have been talking about how harmful they are and how there's no benefit. If you need to see why just look at any of those posts.
no benefits? have you guys ever heard of expressing thyself and “fun”?
some of them aren’t harmful at all. and if you really can’t read it you can ask for what it meant. almost no one on scratch will snap at you for that
You are severely inconveniencing a group of people who are already severely inconvenienced in almost everything they do for “fun.” Also hate to go there but passing it off as just an inconvenience is part of the reason African Americans had to drink from separate water fountains for decades.
Honey_Dreamz
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

I agree. Let’s weigh the pros and cons here

PROS:
May increase accessibility
May decrease attention seeking
May make the site less annoying for some
May encourage people to seek assistance with issues that are causing them to have to post typing quirks

CONS:
May make people annoyed
WILL take some getting used to
Please listen to me.

I know little symbols can be a bit difficult for accessibility at times, yes, but at the same time, refer to Za-Chary's post on this.

You didn't seem to be listening to the several other reasons there are for them other than “attention seeking”. Pretty much every person I've seen with a typing symbol, including myself, has reasons unrelated to wanting attention for them.

They can't always seek assistance, and it's not that OCD has to be treated. Sure a mental illness of sorts but like ADHD and such, it can't always be cured or helped with in cases, nor do they always have to be fixed. Some issues like these can't be fixed. People don't always have the money, time, or freedom to get help, even if they could otherwise.
Honey_Dreamz
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

Honey_Dreamz wrote:

han614698 wrote:

and not capitalizing letters is a habit I do bc I feel like it. But if I want to use caps I just do and it happens
Exactly as are typing quirk symbols, you see–well, at least for me that's the best explanation I guess
But I thought that you had to because of OCD
Not everyone who uses these symbols has OCD, but there are a good amount of those who do. And before you say I did, no, I never said that everyone who has a typing quirk has OCD.
han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

hydrofungus wrote:

han614698 wrote:

for people that use emojis. just don’t copy the emoji to your clipboard. that’s simple.


and not capitalizing letters is a habit I do bc I feel like it. But if I want to use caps I just do and it happens
eh emoji keyboard
not capitalizing letters is also a habit of mine. but i never capitalize it even if i say i should
that can happen to others too
that’s an entire page of battling over some quirks. humanity is fun /j
then turn off the emoji keyboard

stand up for yourself. don’t just accept your fate. try something. work for yourself by turning off emoji keyboards

hydrofungus wrote:

han614698 wrote:

I agree. Let’s weigh the pros and cons here

PROS:
May increase accessibility
May decrease attention seeking
May make the site less annoying for some
May encourage people to seek assistance with issues that are causing them to have to post typing quirks

CONS:
May make people annoyed
WILL take some getting used to
that is NOT attention seeking behavior
no one is going “look at me” by typing letters with numbers replaced
“seek assistance”? do i need to seek assistance if i. if i pause in a sentence?
and what if it’s something like autism? you can’t cure autism can you?
the pros already have 2 very flawed reasons y’know
first off I said “may decrease attention seeking behavior because you have to admit there are some people somewhere you use typing quirks that are attention seeking

as soon as i posted “seek assistance” i knew id get yelled
there’s really no way to say it that doesn’t sound like “get help”, but I’ll just say it

if your condition forces you to post stars or arrows or whatever you should get in contact with a therapist. not to cure you. that’s not what i said.


and this sounds rude but sometimes there are reasons to seek assistance that aren’t rude


and don’t say autism because that is just offensive. as someone with a very close friend who has autism this is offensive to them. autism does not cause this.
hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

portalpower wrote:

You are severely inconveniencing a group of people who are already severely inconvenienced in almost everything they do for “fun.” Also hate to go there but passing it off as just an inconvenience is part of the reason African Americans had to drink from separate water fountains for decades.
fine, maybe the fun isn’t that good of a reason
and also what does that even mean
are you talking about the readers or the quirk writers
im saying the people who do it for fun is the quirk writes
and what does water fountains have to do with this
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Honey_Dreamz wrote:

Not everyone who uses these symbols has OCD, but there are a good amount of those who do. And before you say I did, no, I never said that everyone who has a typing quirk has OCD.
There is literally nothing supporting this assertion. I've searched the internet and I couldn't even find anecdotal evidence.
Honey_Dreamz
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

portalpower wrote:

Honey_Dreamz wrote:

Not everyone who uses these symbols has OCD, but there are a good amount of those who do. And before you say I did, no, I never said that everyone who has a typing quirk has OCD.
There is literally nothing supporting this assertion. I've searched the internet and I couldn't even find anecdotal evidence.
Okay, you're not always going to find all the information from a Google search, news flash. You didn't ask someone who has a typing quirk to help with or due to OCD, did you? Then no, finding nothing on a search doesn't mean it isn't real or anything.

Last edited by Honey_Dreamz (Nov. 16, 2024 02:39:22)

han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

hydrofungus wrote:

portalpower wrote:

You are severely inconveniencing a group of people who are already severely inconvenienced in almost everything they do for “fun.” Also hate to go there but passing it off as just an inconvenience is part of the reason African Americans had to drink from separate water fountains for decades.
fine, maybe the fun isn’t that good of a reason
and also what does that even mean
are you talking about the readers or the quirk writers
im saying the people who do it for fun is the quirk writes
and what does water fountains have to do with this
because you have shown no regard for people with dyslexia.

i have spent the last bit of time on google and i haven’t found anything associating ocd with thing quirks.


only thing i see is that typing quirks are most common among “plurals” whatever that means
hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

then turn off the emoji keyboard

stand up for yourself. don’t just accept your fate. try something. work for yourself by turning off emoji keyboards
now you’re wording it like typing quirks is a disease
what if we want to accept this “fate”? it’s our decision

han614698 wrote:

first off I said “may decrease attention seeking behavior because you have to admit there are some people somewhere you use typing quirks that are attention seeking

as soon as i posted “seek assistance” i knew id get yelled
there’s really no way to say it that doesn’t sound like “get help”, but I’ll just say it

if your condition forces you to post stars or arrows or whatever you should get in contact with a therapist. not to cure you. that’s not what i said.


and this sounds rude but sometimes there are reasons to seek assistance that aren’t rude


and don’t say autism because that is just offensive. as someone with a very close friend who has autism this is offensive to them. autism does not cause this.
send me an example. don’t need to name and shame, show me an example of a person who is attention seeking by quirks.
if you knew you’d get yelled why’d did you say that. not everyone has the money to get a therapist just because you like posting quirks.
i don’t think any conditions forces you to, but rather making you prone to it (and usually ends with lightheartedness)
i’m not saying autism causes for them, but i have like a buckload of friends who types this and has autism
han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

ok so you admit fun isn’t a good reason


what is a good reason

if someone can give me proof that it causes severe distress to not post thing quirks AND that this is untreatable, i would consider making an exception.

so far no proof of that, and ive been searching the interwebs
hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

because you have shown no regard for people with dyslexia.

i have spent the last bit of time on google and i haven’t found anything associating ocd with thing quirks.


only thing i see is that typing quirks are most common among “plurals” whatever that means
can’t they just ask for a translation. this is the third time i’ve said this
also i never said ocd was linked with quirks
and plurals, something i mentioned before, is a term for uhh multiple personality disorder i think. trauma response
and before you say seek help you can’t be cured from plurality
han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

hydrofungus wrote:

han614698 wrote:

then turn off the emoji keyboard

stand up for yourself. don’t just accept your fate. try something. work for yourself by turning off emoji keyboards
now you’re wording it like typing quirks is a disease
what if we want to accept this “fate”? it’s our decision

han614698 wrote:

first off I said “may decrease attention seeking behavior because you have to admit there are some people somewhere you use typing quirks that are attention seeking

as soon as i posted “seek assistance” i knew id get yelled
there’s really no way to say it that doesn’t sound like “get help”, but I’ll just say it

if your condition forces you to post stars or arrows or whatever you should get in contact with a therapist. not to cure you. that’s not what i said.


and this sounds rude but sometimes there are reasons to seek assistance that aren’t rude


and don’t say autism because that is just offensive. as someone with a very close friend who has autism this is offensive to them. autism does not cause this.
send me an example. don’t need to name and shame, show me an example of a person who is attention seeking by quirks.
if you knew you’d get yelled why’d did you say that. not everyone has the money to get a therapist just because you like posting quirks.
i don’t think any conditions forces you to, but rather making you prone to it (and usually ends with lightheartedness)
i’m not saying autism causes for them, but i have like a buckload of friends who types this and has autism
regarding the first post, i am treating it not as a disease but rather a condition as that seems like what you all want


i have a couple friends who have autism and are also currently suspended. does that mean that autism means you will get suspended? of course not. that makes no sense.

good. so you admit that nothing forces you to type typing quirks, so it’s not unreasonable to ask people to stop in certain environments.
Honey_Dreamz
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

what is a good reason
The good reasons are ones I and others have already listed if you took the extra minute or two to read out posts instead of skimming over the parts giving you this answer. Do I have to ask you one more time to just do that, please?
han614698
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

hydrofungus wrote:

han614698 wrote:

because you have shown no regard for people with dyslexia.

i have spent the last bit of time on google and i haven’t found anything associating ocd with thing quirks.


only thing i see is that typing quirks are most common among “plurals” whatever that means
can’t they just ask for a translation. this is the third time i’ve said this
also i never said ocd was linked with quirks
and plurals, something i mentioned before, is a term for uhh multiple personality disorder i think. trauma response
and before you say seek help you can’t be cured from plurality
a dyslexic person should not have to go around asking for a translation.


this topic has nothing to do with plurality and i don’t think it should so i wont share my opinion on that


idk if you said anything about OCD and quirks but honey dreams did
hydrofungus
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Ban or discourage typing quirks that hinder accessibility

han614698 wrote:

ok so you admit fun isn’t a good reason


what is a good reason

if someone can give me proof that it causes severe distress to not post thing quirks AND that this is untreatable, i would consider making an exception.

so far no proof of that, and ive been searching the interwebs
well it wouldn’t cause severe distress, but you seen the plural thing. some alters won’t be able to not post it

han614698 wrote:

regarding the first post, i am treating it not as a disease but rather a condition as that seems like what you all want


i have a couple friends who have autism and are also currently suspended. does that mean that autism means you will get suspended? of course not. that makes no sense.

good. so you admit that nothing forces you to type typing quirks, so it’s not unreasonable to ask people to stop in certain environments.
okok we never said it was a condition it’s a preference and habit
what suspension
and would it be that reasonable to ask someone to stop their habits? probably not, and probably not at that exact moment

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