Collaboration is rejected:

2.1 Adding users to work on projects
Having multiple Scratchers work on the same project would be difficult to moderate not only due to technological limitations but also because it could lead to private messaging; for more information, see #7.1 on this list. This suggestion includes live editing (similar to Google Docs) and other forms of private collaboration. If you would like to work on a project with another Scratcher, you can remix each others' projects.

I agree. If two strangers online are collaborating on a project, that’s not good. So, why don’t we make it so that people can collaborate on the same network?

This post is suggesting live project collaboration over LAN. This means that two or more people on the same Wi-Fi network can work together on a project at the same time. For example, a group of friends at a sleepover want to work on a project together. This suggestion would allow them to do this as long as they are on the same network as the creator of the project and they are invited to collaborate (I’ll get into it later).

Why not just share a single device
Sharing a single device with others to make a project would be hard, especially with 3 or more people. Think about it, 2 or more of your friends telling you their idea for the project and what to do next and all of your friends have a different idea. Also, a single device would have to make sprites one at a time. For example, if 4 people were sharing a device and making a project with 4 sprites, the people on the single device would have to code sprites one at a time. Using multiple devices, 4 people each could code one sprite and finish the project at quadruple the speed.

You haven’t addressed moderation issues
I don’t see any moderation issues. If a group of friends in the same building were to discuss something against scratch TOS, it would make much more logical sense for them to share their accounts on private messaging apps instead of scratch, or just to talk about it in real life. Issues with content made during collaboration will be discussed possibly in the future if I feel like making a collaboration system suggestion, but for now this is just a suggestion for collaboration over LAN p, so I won’t be making that right now.

I don’t see much more I need to say about this topic, at least in the OP. That will definitely change because I’m going to have to add more to this post eventually.

Note: please tell me if this is a dupe, my school blocked scratchdb so ocular is completely useless and I can’t use it

This has potential, and there’s one issue i see, which can easily be remedied, and it’s about browsers connecting through LAN.
Maybe this could be for the offline editor, though?
-Cassidy

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

This has potential, and there’s one issue i see, which can easily be remedied, and it’s about browsers connecting through LAN.

What’s the problem with browsers connecting through lan

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Maybe this could be for the offline editor, though?

The only mobile device useable for an offline editor is a android tablet. Only a fraction of mobile device owners have androids, and even smaller of a fraction have android tablets, so that can’t work

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

This has potential, and there’s one issue i see, which can easily be remedied, and it’s about browsers connecting through LAN.

What’s the problem with browsers connecting through lan

I don’t believe many browsers support it.

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Maybe this could be for the offline editor, though?

The only mobile device useable for an offline editor is an android tablet. Only a fraction of mobile device owners have androids, and even smaller of a fraction have android tablets, so that can’t work

However, online on iOS doesn’t work period, and it isn’t designed for mobile devices.
-Stephen

this does have potential, i wonder if a feature where you could invite other scratch users onto your project instead of using LAN connection would be possible scratch update.

I heavily doubt any form of collaboration will be added

What is the full accronym for LAN?

Crispydogs101 wrote:

What is the full accronym for LAN?

Local area network

Hear me out, if all the people are on the same wiki network

Just use the same computer? You are all already in the same place

Split screen editing MAYBE but that seems like a bit too much

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Hear me out, if all the people are on the same wiki network

Just use the same computer? You are all already in the same place

I addressed this in op

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

Do you think little Timmy, a small, young child with his friends, could learn how to hook it up to an actual server? Let alone even know what a server is?

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

How would split screen editing work? Wouldn’t you need two mice? (Mouses? Idk lol)

-effortIess- wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

How would split screen editing work? Wouldn’t you need two mice? (Mouses? Idk lol)

I was gonna say this too lol

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

How would split screen editing work? Wouldn’t you need two mice? (Mouses? Idk lol)

I was gonna say this too lol

I have 2 mice plugged into my computer, and they function as 1. You would need special software, but this is possible to bundle with split screen editing.
-Stephen

GlitchedThrough wrote:

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

How would split screen editing work? Wouldn’t you need two mice? (Mouses? Idk lol)

I was gonna say this too lol

I have 2 mice plugged into my computer, and they function as 1. You would need special software, but this is possible to bundle with split screen editing.
-Stephen

Still, you have to consider small kids won’t know how to do any of this.

So here’s what I think splitscreen would look like
Always:
The current sprite each user is in is displayed by a number in a bubble similar to the message icon number
Any comment left will have its title text at the top near the pullout button will show the number user they are, as well as being colored
Maybes:
Colors would match each of the scratch mascots as well as instead of simple bubbles would show said mascot
P1: scratch cat, orange
P2: Tera, blue
P3: pico, red
P4: gia, green

For 3 and 4 users:
The pallet is much smaller visually with a scroll bar for getting between 3 pages of tabs
The entire header would be removed
The “code sound costume” tabs would be compressed vertically
The sprite name would be displayed at the top of the coding area in between the type tabs and green flag buttons, clicking it would also allow you to rename it
Dropdowns would be shown in a 3 row wide format to save screen space (unless it’s only 4 or so options)
For 4 users:
The entire stage is axed, instead the green flag and stop sign buttons are moved to the top right of the coding area
The backpack now pulls out the menu for selecting sprites (the one under the stage)
The sprite costume preview in the top right of the coding area is replaced with a full screen button, this is how you look at the stage
For 3 users only:
The stage is displayed on the top right corner of the split screens
For 2 users:
Literally just the current layout but in the aspect ratio halved vertically, this displays perfectly fine in vinnila

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

So here’s what I think splitscreen would look like

snipe

Why not make your own suggestion for this?

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I think split screen editing is alot more likely than lan

If you were on LAN you could theoretically hook that up to an actual server and then anyone can acess it. Split screen will limit you to 1 device and if somehow little Timmy with $5 to his name has more than one monitor you could spread each editor across more than 1 monitor

And if there’s asymmetrical split screen (3 players) then the open area would be the view of the stage that anyone can click on

I might make some mock-ups of this as it would require a revised editor layout that also might be beneficial to have on mobile devices due to the similar aspect ratio

How would split screen editing work? Wouldn’t you need two mice? (Mouses? Idk lol)

I was gonna say this too lol

Mouse keys
Controllers
Seperate thing specifically made for this (scratch team have made devices exclusively for scratch before so this isn’t out of the realm of possibility)

alwayspaytaxes wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

So here’s what I think splitscreen would look like

snipe

Why not make your own suggestion for this?

Because it’s very closely related to this, I suppose i could but I don’t even support this myself