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56-s
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Add a pin to protect accounts.

Protecting accounts is important. Add a pin to do so.

Hacking is getting data with permission of the orginal owner so no matter how hard your password is to guess hackers cloud just get your password without password guessing so when you login by logining in or using cookies it will say “enter 3 digit code”.

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Last edited by 56-s (Aug. 27, 2023 20:00:07)

Zydrolic
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56-s
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Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town

info on dupes
Oh sorry I wanted to suggest it


I did not mean to copy topics


Please treat this like a normal topic.
Za-Chary
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Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town
While I agree that this suggestion is essentially OP's vision, hence this one should be closed, I do want to say that OP's suggestion seems to be a much weaker form of 2-factor authentication. How do you get the PIN — do you just choose it? If so, then this is basically nothing more than a second password. And if hackers can guess your first password, what's preventing them from guessing this second much shorter password? At least with classical 2-factor authentication, presumably hackers will not have access to your phone or email address.
56-s
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Za-Chary wrote:

Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town
While I agree that this suggestion is essentially OP's vision, hence this one should be closed, I do want to say that OP's suggestion seems to be a much weaker form of 2-factor authentication. How do you get the PIN — do you just choose it? If so, then this is basically nothing more than a second password. And if hackers can guess your first password, what's preventing them from guessing this second much shorter password? At least with classical 2-factor authentication, presumably hackers will not have access to your phone or email address.
What about a 6 digit one.

Or a 30 digit one?

Last edited by 56-s (Aug. 27, 2023 19:59:23)

Za-Chary
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56-s wrote:

What about a 6 digit one.

Or a 30 digit one?
Why wouldn't I just put these in my normal password to begin with?
scratchcode1_2_3
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56-s wrote:

(#5)

Za-Chary wrote:

Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town
While I agree that this suggestion is essentially OP's vision, hence this one should be closed, I do want to say that OP's suggestion seems to be a much weaker form of 2-factor authentication. How do you get the PIN — do you just choose it? If so, then this is basically nothing more than a second password. And if hackers can guess your first password, what's preventing them from guessing this second much shorter password? At least with classical 2-factor authentication, presumably hackers will not have access to your phone or email address.
What about a 6 digit one.

Or a 30 digit one?
That's…. still the same thing. The length of the pin doesn't really matter since it's just numbers. Brute forcing through just numbers is easier than through combinations of numbers, letters (both lowercase and uppercase), and symbols.

edit: ninja'd by 20 seconds exactly

Last edited by scratchcode1_2_3 (Aug. 27, 2023 20:02:42)

56-s
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Za-Chary wrote:

56-s wrote:

What about a 6 digit one.

Or a 30 digit one?
Why wouldn't I just put these in my normal password to begin with?
So your changing your password
56-s
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This topic is already falling apart.
scratchcode1_2_3
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56-s wrote:

(#8)
So your changing your password
What does changing passwords have to do with the “pin”?
56-s
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This topic is gonna get dustbinned in 1 minute.
Zydrolic
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Za-Chary wrote:

(#4)

Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town
While I agree that this suggestion is essentially OP's vision, hence this one should be closed, I do want to say that OP's suggestion seems to be a much weaker form of 2-factor authentication. How do you get the PIN — do you just choose it? If so, then this is basically nothing more than a second password. And if hackers can guess your first password, what's preventing them from guessing this second much shorter password? At least with classical 2-factor authentication, presumably hackers will not have access to your phone or email address.
I presume you just create one via numbers, and yeah it is way weaker — Just getting emailed a code or something is much stronger.
56-s
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Zydrolic wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

(#4)

Zydrolic wrote:

welcome to duplicate town
While I agree that this suggestion is essentially OP's vision, hence this one should be closed, I do want to say that OP's suggestion seems to be a much weaker form of 2-factor authentication. How do you get the PIN — do you just choose it? If so, then this is basically nothing more than a second password. And if hackers can guess your first password, what's preventing them from guessing this second much shorter password? At least with classical 2-factor authentication, presumably hackers will not have access to your phone or email address.
I presume you just create one via numbers, and yeah it is way weaker — Just getting emailed a code or something is much stronger.
This topic is a mess with no support.
scratchcode1_2_3
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56-s wrote:

(#13)
This topic is a mess with no support
we were just saying it's actually weaker than 2 factor authentication
Zydrolic
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56-s wrote:

(#13)
This topic is a mess with no support.
Supporting doesnt neccasarily matter
what matters is the discussion
56-s
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scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

56-s wrote:

(#13)
This topic is a mess with no support
we were just saying it's actually weaker than 2 factor authentication
I feel like making a April fools suggestion.
scratchcode1_2_3
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56-s wrote:

(#16)

scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

56-s wrote:

(#13)
This topic is a mess with no support
we were just saying it's actually weaker than 2 factor authentication
I feel like making a April fools suggestion.
Okay, that isn't really constructive/related to the suggestion itself though…?
56-s
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scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

56-s wrote:

(#16)

scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

56-s wrote:

(#13)
This topic is a mess with no support
we were just saying it's actually weaker than 2 factor authentication
I feel like making a April fools suggestion.
Okay, that isn't really constructive/related to the suggestion itself though…?
Yeah this is gonna get dustbinned anyway.

Last edited by 56-s (Aug. 27, 2023 20:13:05)

-OdysseyCentral-
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So, I know this is a dupe, and that’s it’s gonna get closed soon, but I wanna say what is my opinion on this. A 3-number pin, has only 10 to the power of 3 combinations. I’m not exactly sure how many unique characters can be in a password, but if I’m counting right, a standard password can be one of 20 to the power of 55 combinations. That’s, much, much more. A 20 character password is already a good enough security option, and 2 factor authentication is even stronger
56-s
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-OdysseyCentral- wrote:

So, I know this is a dupe, and that’s it’s gonna get closed soon, but I wanna say what is my opinion on this. A 3-number pin, has only 10 to the power of 3 combinations. I’m not exactly sure how many unique characters can be in a password, but if I’m counting right, a standard password can be one of 20 to the power of 55 combinations. That’s, much, much more. A 20 character password is already a good enough security option, and 2 factor authentication is even stronger
Yes it is dieing now.

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