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Sausagefanclub
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

I'm really getting sick of people remixing my Maze of Fungi and not changing a single thing. Seriously, I think at least half of the project's remixes are like that now. I'm debating whether I should report them all or just leave them there.

So I'd like to request that the site check to see if there are any differences between a project's scripting, spriting or audio when someone tries to upload a remix. If it detects no difference, it can say something like “Oops! Looks like you haven't changed anything. You don't want to copy the creator's work, do you?”
This may be a feature that only the online editor uses, because something tells me the offline editor will be much tougher to program this into (But if ST does it anyway, then yay).

This will cause a significant drop in people's projects being copied without permission.

Post if you support!

Last edited by Paddle2See (Aug. 25, 2023 15:00:21)

joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

Sausagefanclub wrote:

I'm really getting sick of people remixing my Maze of Fungi and not changing a single thing. Seriously, I think at least half of the project's remixes are like that now. I'm debating whether I should report them all or just leave them there.

So I'd like to request that the site check to see if there are any differences between a project's scripting, spriting or audio when someone tries to upload a remix. If it detects no difference, it can say something like “Oops! Looks like you haven't changed anything. You don't want to copy the creator's work, do you?”
This may be a feature that only the online editor uses, because something tells me the offline editor will be much tougher to program this into (But if ST does it anyway, then yay).

This will cause a significant drop in people's projects being copied without permission.

Post if you support!



There is a Remix Comparing Tool that you can use to compare projects. If it is a copy, it will say 0 changes.
Oh, I support.

Last edited by joshuaho (May 31, 2013 01:03:32)

dsaztur
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500+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

Support.
Zparx
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500+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

Support. I had someone go as far as creating an account, just so that they could remix my project, not changing a single thing. My project was the only project on their page, and they have not been active since. They even copied the notes section and neglected to give me credit. Highly upsetting as all of my time and effort seems wasted if everyone can get as much attention to their “remix” as my original.

Also, I don't think this will work unless the “remix validator”, so to speak (thats got a ring to it!) checks for at least 10 or so changes, otherwise, someone could just move a block around or add a few hidden pixels to a sprite.

^ Even then, the validator would be extremely easy to bypass. Remixes should just be eliminated in general. Or at least only available offline. I've always highly despised that feature.
manwithmanykids
Scratcher
67 posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

or Just add some options to sharing

when you click Share ask the following Questions.

- Allow others to View Code?
- Allow Remixing?
- Allow Private Remixing?
- Allow Copying of Scripts to Backpack?

I think Scratch is great because it allows people to see how you did things and use it in there own projects. I personally have no issues with people seeing what I have done.

I would Even go so far as to say, that once a project is Idle for 90 days, it should revert to full sharing as the idea of scratch is sharing.

But i understand people getting upset if they put months into a project and then Someone comes along, remixes it and then runs with it.

When a project is shared its so others can play with it. When you have a user communittee, it motivates you to make it better etc. if people steal your project then your communittee gets divided

Last edited by manwithmanykids (May 31, 2013 15:30:21)

NoxSpooth
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

manwithmanykids wrote:

or Just add some options to sharing

when you click Share ask the following Questions.

- Allow others to View Code?
- Allow Remixing?
- Allow Private Remixing?
- Allow Copying of Scripts to Backpack?

I think Scratch is great because it allows people to see how you did things and use it in there own projects. I personally have no issues with people seeing what I have done.

I would Even go so far as to say, that once a project is Idle for 90 days, it should revert to full sharing as the idea of scratch is sharing.

But i understand people getting upset if they put months into a project and then Someone comes along, remixes it and then runs with it.

When a project is shared its so others can play with it. When you have a user communittee, it motivates you to make it better etc. if people steal your project then your communittee gets divided
I understand your point, but… People will always be able to remix any project that they want. It's an important part of Scratch.
joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

NoxSpooth wrote:

manwithmanykids wrote:

or Just add some options to sharing

when you click Share ask the following Questions.

- Allow others to View Code?
- Allow Remixing?
- Allow Private Remixing?
- Allow Copying of Scripts to Backpack?

I think Scratch is great because it allows people to see how you did things and use it in there own projects. I personally have no issues with people seeing what I have done.

I would Even go so far as to say, that once a project is Idle for 90 days, it should revert to full sharing as the idea of scratch is sharing.

But i understand people getting upset if they put months into a project and then Someone comes along, remixes it and then runs with it.

When a project is shared its so others can play with it. When you have a user communittee, it motivates you to make it better etc. if people steal your project then your communittee gets divided
I understand your point, but… People will always be able to remix any project that they want. It's an important part of Scratch.
Yes, it is important. But copying projects is not ok.
NoxSpooth
Scratcher
1000+ posts

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joshuaho wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

manwithmanykids wrote:

or Just add some options to sharing

when you click Share ask the following Questions.

- Allow others to View Code?
- Allow Remixing?
- Allow Private Remixing?
- Allow Copying of Scripts to Backpack?

I think Scratch is great because it allows people to see how you did things and use it in there own projects. I personally have no issues with people seeing what I have done.

I would Even go so far as to say, that once a project is Idle for 90 days, it should revert to full sharing as the idea of scratch is sharing.

But i understand people getting upset if they put months into a project and then Someone comes along, remixes it and then runs with it.

When a project is shared its so others can play with it. When you have a user communittee, it motivates you to make it better etc. if people steal your project then your communittee gets divided
I understand your point, but… People will always be able to remix any project that they want. It's an important part of Scratch.
Yes, it is important. But copying projects is not ok.

But we must find a better way to stop project copying.
joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

NoxSpooth wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

NoxSpooth wrote:

manwithmanykids wrote:

or Just add some options to sharing

when you click Share ask the following Questions.

- Allow others to View Code?
- Allow Remixing?
- Allow Private Remixing?
- Allow Copying of Scripts to Backpack?

I think Scratch is great because it allows people to see how you did things and use it in there own projects. I personally have no issues with people seeing what I have done.

I would Even go so far as to say, that once a project is Idle for 90 days, it should revert to full sharing as the idea of scratch is sharing.

But i understand people getting upset if they put months into a project and then Someone comes along, remixes it and then runs with it.

When a project is shared its so others can play with it. When you have a user communittee, it motivates you to make it better etc. if people steal your project then your communittee gets divided
I understand your point, but… People will always be able to remix any project that they want. It's an important part of Scratch.
Yes, it is important. But copying projects is not ok.

But we must find a better way to stop project copying.
True….
SFollis
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

+1
although it should be if the remix is 5% like the main project (the project that got remixed)
kayybee
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

SFollis wrote:

+1
although it should be if the remix is 5% like the main project (the project that got remixed)
Do you mean 95%? Well, some new scratchers may learn scratch by changing a few numbers (such as color effect) or rotation, like my “3D sprinkler” I changed a few numbers but the effect was completely different.
So i think if there are no changes it should not be allowed to be shared, and if the user doesn't say what he/she changed it should be asked first, then reported.
SFollis
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

kayybee wrote:

SFollis wrote:

+1
although it should be if the remix is 5% like the main project (the project that got remixed)
Do you mean 95%? Well, some new scratchers may learn scratch by changing a few numbers (such as color effect) or rotation, like my “3D sprinkler” I changed a few numbers but the effect was completely different.
So i think if there are no changes it should not be allowed to be shared, and if the user doesn't say what he/she changed it should be asked first, then reported.
i think you read it wrong, i mean if it's 5% like the main project, otherwise because some remixes only change 20%, which still can be a lot.
Foxgirlgamer
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Support.
I have gotten dozens upon dozens of remixes that either change the colour of one sprite, or don't change anything at all.
I've even had a couple incidents where someone changed absoloutely nothing except to erase my name and put their own, seeming to claim they'd done it all.
Normally I wouldn't have a big problem with this, as I used to do it myself, but with all the new ‘sharing’ features it's just getting ridiculous.
Scratch12300
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

I totally agree. I CONSTANTLY find unchanged remixes! (Just not on my projects. ) Plus your maze of fungi was a good game!

By the way, I made a post about this!

Last edited by Scratch12300 (June 2, 2013 01:26:20)

kayybee
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1000+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

SFollis wrote:

kayybee wrote:

SFollis wrote:

+1
although it should be if the remix is 5% like the main project (the project that got remixed)
Do you mean 95%? Well, some new scratchers may learn scratch by changing a few numbers (such as color effect) or rotation, like my “3D sprinkler” I changed a few numbers but the effect was completely different.
So i think if there are no changes it should not be allowed to be shared, and if the user doesn't say what he/she changed it should be asked first, then reported.
i think you read it wrong, i mean if it's 5% like the main project, otherwise because some remixes only change 20%, which still can be a lot.
You're saying “if it's 5% like the main project” means that if there's 5% or more like the main project, it's a “copy.”
That means they have to change at least 95% of the project.

Changing 20% means that the project is 80% like the main project, because 20% has been changed while 80% remains.

And how do you calculate percentage alikeness?
kayybee
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1000+ posts

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Foxgirlgamer wrote:

Support.
I have gotten dozens upon dozens of remixes that either change the colour of one sprite, or don't change anything at all.
I've even had a couple incidents where someone changed absoloutely nothing except to erase my name and put their own, seeming to claim they'd done it all.
Normally I wouldn't have a big problem with this, as I used to do it myself, but with all the new ‘sharing’ features it's just getting ridiculous.
I just realized something. Perhaps the answer to why so many people are copying projects.

The word “Share” on Scratch means to release your project into the public so everyone can see. However…
The word “Share” on many social networking sites means to spread something, so your friends/followers can see it.
On Scratch, “Share” means you made it or made part of it.
On social sites, “Share” means someone else made it and you want others to see it.

Perhaps people are getting confused by this? Do you think changing the name to “publish” or “release” will help?
SFollis
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500+ posts

Remixed Project Duplicate Check

kayybee wrote:

Foxgirlgamer wrote:

Support.
I have gotten dozens upon dozens of remixes that either change the colour of one sprite, or don't change anything at all.
I've even had a couple incidents where someone changed absoloutely nothing except to erase my name and put their own, seeming to claim they'd done it all.
Normally I wouldn't have a big problem with this, as I used to do it myself, but with all the new ‘sharing’ features it's just getting ridiculous.
I just realized something. Perhaps the answer to why so many people are copying projects.

The word “Share” on Scratch means to release your project into the public so everyone can see. However…
The word “Share” on many social networking sites means to spread something, so your friends/followers can see it.
On Scratch, “Share” means you made it or made part of it.
On social sites, “Share” means someone else made it and you want others to see it.

Perhaps people are getting confused by this? Do you think changing the name to “publish” or “release” will help?
i'm not sure, when i first joined scratch i thought it meant ‘share to the public’ for the share button, which is what it does, so, i'm not sure… it might help some people though. But people that have used scratch even longer than most, might get confused and ask why it changed to ‘publish’, that is of course if they didn't read the announcements
zath
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

Support!
NoxSpooth
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Oh, I guess I forgot to say that I support this.
UnofficialCoder
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Remixed Project Duplicate Check

I support


(copyright laws…)

Last edited by UnofficialCoder (June 3, 2013 22:18:54)

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