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minikiwigeek2
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs


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Hi there. This is MiniKiwiGeek from the future. I am now pro-unshared projects getting patched, so none of this really applies anymore. Please don't act like this still exists. Enjoy this brief trip down memory lane…
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On May 7, 2022, the bad news finally broke out on TurboWarp: it appears that the Scratch Team is going to remove the ability to view unshared projects using things like TurboWarp, Forkphorus, and even Scratch 3.0's development build (referred to here as scratch-gui). Here's the most recent version of the statement, which was published on May 24:

Updated May 27, 2022

Unshared projects will PROBABLY no longer accessible using their project ID at some point in the future due to upcoming Scratch API changes.

Instead, you can either share the project or save the project to your computer (File > Save to your computer) and load the file instead.

For more information, visit: https://docs.turbowarp.org/unshared-projects

Now, I understand that this is kind of a privacy issue, but the purpose of this suggestion is for the Scratch Team to Consider Collabs. Specifically, viewing unshared projects was very helpful for collaborations, as people could provide a link to turbowarp and people could download the project, then add it into the Collab. Or just give people a taster of what's to come! By removing this ability, this is going to be much, much harder. Just think: people sending links to sketchy filesharing sites, people sending other people files designed as .sb3 files when they're actually viruses… Okay, maybe that last one's a little farfetched, but still.

Now, I know what you might be thinking: Can't they just share the project? Sure, they could, but I have many, many old/dated projects which were removed due to me changing my style and whatnot, with a whopping two old projects or so kept only for them being somewhat fine. How many projects do I actually have shared? 17. By removing this, you're forcing people to share stuff they don't actually want to share or that they only want to share with one or two people!

Anyway, here's all the workarounds we've come up with so far (thanks, musicROCKS013!):

Remixing: Remix a project over and over adding slight updates each time.

Pros:
  • Safe for both creators
  • ST approved

Cons:
  • Could provide leaks to the content of the project
  • Inefficient and slow

Using turbowarp: Using turbowarp to edit a project

Pros:
  • Easy
  • Efficient
  • Prevents leaks to the gameplay
Cons:
  • Easy to share private info or inappropriate content
  • The ST can’t moderate it

File sharing: Sharing files with each other to edit the project

Pros:
  • An alternative to turbowarp
Cons:
  • A ban-able offense
  • Impossible to do on scratch; must be done on outside platforms, requiring in sharing private info

Remixing and using secret alternate accounts: Title

Pros:
  • Can help keep the project hidden from the major part of the community and prevent leaks
  • ST approved
Cons:
  • Constantly worried that someone will find it and leak the project
  • Hard to keep a secret account secret

Just do the work yourself: Don’t collab

Pros:
  • You can’t unintentionally access private info of other scratchers or inappropriate content
  • No leaks. You also don’t have to worry that the other collaborator will leak the project
  • You don’t get carried
Cons:
  • It might take longer to do or take more effort

I'll close off with this: I understand what you're doing is right for security reasons. However, for people in collaborations, this isn't very convenient. The best way to handle this option is the setting to allow external software viewing while unshared like I mentioned above. If nothing is done, I fear this'll be as controversial as That One Day When The Scratch Team Decided To Remove The Discuss Button™, or That Other Day When The Scratch Team Decided To Overhaul Studios And Everyone Revolted™. Before you remove it, please stop for a moment and remember to Consider Collabs!

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[quote]I want the Scratch Team to [url=https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/602417/]#ConsiderCollabs[/url]! Help save Scratch's unshared projects feature before it's too late![/quote]

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Last edited by minikiwigeek2 (June 19, 2022 15:53:27)


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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

Yes! They should #ConsiderCollabs because without the ability to view unshared projects, topics that already contain TurboWarp links to unshared projects (so that they don't appear on the user's profile) like this topic for example wouldn't work.

But here's the problem: If the Scratch Team decided to #ConsiderCollabs, people could link to spam or random projects. (Yes I know you can just report it, but I'm just saying…)

The only problem I can see is that the Scratch Team might not want to #ConsiderCollabs, as they might not want Scratchers to let others' view unshared projects in TurboWarp.

Furthermore, there are a few inconsistencies with this suggestion.
I feel like hashtags are used to make posts more “trendy”, and to grasp the attention of the user reading this post.
Also, just because an old project is “cringey” doesn't mean it's necessarily bad.
There are old projects that are beginner projects – Projects that people start out making that are basic, but sometimes making a project basic is the best.

I apologise if this post is long, or wrong – I just wanted to point some stuff out.

Also, if this is a petition to save unshared projects, then there shouldn't be a list of supporters, because:

A) The support convention makes the forums a voting booth, and that isn't what the forums are.
And:
B) The Scratch Team doesn't automatically implement a suggestion based on the amount of supporters. They have to sort out the pros and cons of each suggestion, and then they have to see if the pros outweigh the cons. If so, they have to research its' gain on the website. Else, I don't know.

Sorry if this is a long post, and sorry if my information is wrong. I'm trying to make a few guesses based off what would be right and what would be wrong.

TL;DR: Great idea, but I feel like there are a few downsides to this.

Last edited by k0d3rrr (May 8, 2022 02:37:50)


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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

Yes! The ST also needs to consider a major part of the community- collaborations. They can make you friends, give people a chance to learn about teamwork, etc.

Obviously, you could use an alt account and remix but it is pretty impractical, since it still clutters it up and it just takes too much time.

The check-box solution to this would be great- it would still keep Scratch safe, while making collabs nice and easy to handle. Maybe it could be chosen if you click some sort of button, and a GUI would replace the Share banner, until you chose an option. It would get removed if you shared the project.

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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

Agreed, I'm part of many collaborations who're all in emergency mode now because of this “patch” and this will absolutely destroy a large part of the collaboration community and they really should reconsider this “bug fix”, this could potentially end some of those projects and I don't want to see that happen


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minikiwigeek2
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

k0d3rrr wrote:

Yes! They should #ConsiderCollabs because without the ability to view unshared projects, topics that already contain TurboWarp links to unshared projects (so that they don't appear on the user's profile) like this topic for example wouldn't work.

But here's the problem: If the Scratch Team decided to #ConsiderCollabs, people could link to spam or random projects. (Yes I know you can just report it, but I'm just saying…)

The only problem I can see is that the Scratch Team might not want to #ConsiderCollabs, as they might not want Scratchers to let others' view unshared projects in TurboWarp.

Furthermore, there are a few inconsistencies with this suggestion.
I feel like hashtags are used to make posts more “trendy”, and to grasp the attention of the user reading this post.
Also, just because an old project is “cringey” doesn't mean it's necessarily bad.
There are old projects that are beginner projects – Projects that people start out making that are basic, but sometimes making a project basic is the best.

I apologise if this post is long, or wrong – I just wanted to point some stuff out.

Also, if this is a petition to save unshared projects, then there shouldn't be a list of supporters, because:

A) The support convention makes the forums a voting booth, and that isn't what the forums are.
And:
B) The Scratch Team doesn't automatically implement a suggestion based on the amount of supporters. They have to sort out the pros and cons of each suggestion, and then they have to see if the pros outweigh the cons. If so, they have to research its' gain on the website. Else, I don't know.

Sorry if this is a long post, and sorry if my information is wrong. I'm trying to make a few guesses based off what would be right and what would be wrong.

TL;DR: Great idea, but I feel like there are a few downsides to this.

Thanks for your help! I'll make a few changes and won't implement a list of supporters.

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minikiwigeek2
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

TimeTravel2022 wrote:

For the record, the unshared projects thing is misinformation and I've asked GarboMuffin to retract their statement. However, this suggestion seems to be an attempt at continuing to make unlisted projects.

Paddle2See wrote:

Sorry - I'm going to have to reject this idea. We depend heavily on the community to view projects and let us know when something in the project goes against the Community Guidelines. Restricting the viewing audience to a very small number decreases the likelihood that we would get a report if the project were not okay. It would also make it easier to do some forms of private communication, since we don't have the resources to view every project.


Ohhhh, okay. I'll go ahead and remove the unlisted part, then.

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minikiwigeek2
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

minikiwigeek2 wrote:

TimeTravel2022 wrote:

For the record, the unshared projects thing is misinformation and I've asked GarboMuffin to retract their statement. However, this suggestion seems to be an attempt at continuing to make unlisted projects.

Paddle2See wrote:

Sorry - I'm going to have to reject this idea. We depend heavily on the community to view projects and let us know when something in the project goes against the Community Guidelines. Restricting the viewing audience to a very small number decreases the likelihood that we would get a report if the project were not okay. It would also make it easier to do some forms of private communication, since we don't have the resources to view every project.


Ohhhh, okay. I'll go ahead and remove the unlisted part, then.

When GarboMuffin goes and confirms that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, I'll go and close the topic.

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minikiwigeek2
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

So uhh, I found this on the turbowarp page under “more information” on the alert, and one of the parts said this, which sounds a liiiiiitle sus. Sus in that they're basically referring to us telling the scratch team to Consider Collabs.

If you think having a way to limit access to a project to only certain people is important, let the Scratch Team know. They will be the only ones that will be able to implement such a feature. Remember that the Scratch Team are real people who probably have very good reasons to be making these changes. Insults and flame wars will not help anyone.

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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

I have a project that describes about this situation: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/686840353


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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

musicROCKS013
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

This would be horrible. Many projects require things like turbowarp to even run, such as RokCoder’s Beeb Emulator.

Regarding historical_supa’s suggestion, if someone wanted to share an inappropriate project via turbowarp, this wouldn’t fix it, unless the ST could review it somehow. I would imagine that the ST would need a LOT more moderators to pull that off though.

Last edited by musicROCKS013 (May 10, 2022 00:02:57)


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Giolaboman
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

Scratch needs to fix this. They should really at least create some form or way of making collaboration possible with unshared projects… for example, they could have some type of “Invite Collaborators” feature where you can allow certain Scratchers of your choosing to view & edit a project thats unshared with the link. Come on Scratch community, lets help make collaboration happen again! #ConsiderCollabs

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TheGlassPenguin
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

I semi-support this.
I agree that this change would hurt the collaboration community, as sharing links to unshared projects and having other collaborators use external viewers can help you keep your shared projects list clean of any unnecessary clutter.

However, project privacy is another important thing that takes a higher priority on the Scratch Team's list. For me, I have several projects that I made for school and even some ones that are personal that I have used unshared project viewers to share with controlled groups. The current way that it works is if a project's ID gets out somehow, then anybody can access (and duplicate) that project.

I don't agree with the proposed solution, it just makes no sense to me that you'd need to grant permission on the Scratch Website's side in order to affect external viewers, and even then if we were giving options for project owners to allow others to view projects using external tools, unlisted projects on the Scratch end would work way better at controlled sharing.

Last edited by TheGlassPenguin (May 8, 2022 15:37:31)


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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

musicROCKS013 wrote:

This would be horrible. Many projects require things like turbowarp to even run, such as RokCoder’s Beeb Emulator.

Regarding historical_supa’s suggestion, if someone wanted to share an inappropriate project via turbowarp, this wouldn’t fix it, unless the ST could review it somehow. I would imagine that the ST would need a LOT more moderators to pull that off though.
If this were implemented:

historical_supa wrote:

Yes! The ST also needs to consider a major part of the community- collaborations. They can make you friends, give people a chance to learn about teamwork, etc.

Obviously, you could use an alt account and remix but it is pretty impractical, since it still clutters it up and it just takes too much time.

The check-box solution to this would be great- it would still keep Scratch safe, while making collabs nice and easy to handle. Maybe it could be chosen if you click some sort of button, and a GUI would replace the Share banner, until you chose an option. It would get removed if you shared the project.

Mockup:
They could turn the setting off and mimic “taking the project down”.
Boom. Innapropriate project problem solved.
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

The fix is unlisted projects… REJECTED!!!!! oof.

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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

its sucks when your sending a beta of game for playtesting. it really does you cant send a beta to a friend on scratch or most places even other sharing platform since most dont send sb3 and heck cant even share sprite sheets that suck,please scratch

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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

I support #ConsiderCollabs! Help save Scratch's unshared projects bug before it's too late!

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sharkode
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

Where did you hear that they are removing the ability to see unshared projects?

>>>This suggestion could end mass reporting.<<<
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Common forum languages (highlight this text and click shift+down arrow for more):
  • Support - Means someone supports a suggestion, make sure to say the reason when you are supporting a suggestion.
  • No support - Means someone don't support a suggestion, while it may sound a little mean, it's actually not as not everybody have to support the suggestion you purposed.
  • Bump - Bumping is a method of bringing a topic back to the front page.
  • Necroposting - Means bringing an old, dead, topic that nobody cares about back to life, necroposting comes from the greek word “nekros” meaning “corpse”, necroposting is prohibited as it wastes front page space.
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  • Dupe/duplicate - Posts that suggests the same thing, it's a good idea to use Ocular.
  • ST - Is short for Scratch Team, the moderators on this site.
  • ToS - Is short for Terms of Use, a bunch of legal jargon and stuffs like that.
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historical_supa
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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

sharkode wrote:

Where did you hear that they are removing the ability to see unshared projects?
TurboWarp, I think.

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Consider Collabs ARCHIVE - Save Collaborations! #ConsiderCollabs

sharkode wrote:

Where did you hear that they are removing the ability to see unshared projects?
https://github.com/LLK/scratch-gui/pull/8269
https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/pull/6773


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