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dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

Us forumers put in the grind to help the Scratch Community over here in our own time, whether it is answering questions from scratchers, having constructive discussions in suggestions to help the developers of the site, reporting bugs for the developers or helping scratchers with their projects. We deserve a break for 2 days after our tireless work, and not to mention the reasoning is not the best. It was sadly just a small minority who spammed last year and with newer forumers hearing about last year circumstances, I doubt it will happen again.

This sounds harsh but I am sure people can figure out that it is not a normal day in the forums when asking for help, and we need a break, do we now have to start assisting people on our only break of the year, just because a few people need help? We give enough help throughout the year. Honestly.

Edit: Oh, and the Scratch Team do not have to clear up and dustbin joke topics. They did not in previous years, and what harm did that do lying about? It was just the spam, not the jokes, from what I remember the Scratch Team overreacted and cleared out way more than they should have done.

Last edited by dertermenter (March 17, 2022 22:28:25)

sharkode
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

VioletCalico wrote:

Oh by the way here’s the post link

The forums easily get clogged up with joke posts on April Fool’s Day, so I can see why they would not want any more joke topics. If someone actually had an issue or a question on that day, it would most likely not get answered, and that is a problem for many reasons.

sharkode wrote:

We forumers worked like free customer support to ST
I wouldn’t say I agree with that. It’s our choice to forum and we aren’t really working for Scratch or anything, just trying to help out. Personally, I forum to help people and to practice my formal writing skills.
Doesn't matter if we were doing this voluntarily or not, we make the job of ST much easier and saves a lots of their time and money, but what do we get in return? They wouldn't even let us use the forums to have some fun on April Fool's day! ST says it wastes their time cleaning up the topics, but they should also remember that we forumers save them way more time in moderation and customer support than we waste on April Fool's day.
sharkode
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

dertermenter wrote:

Us forumers put in the grind to help the Scratch Community over here in our own time, whether it is answering questions from scratchers, having constructive discussions in suggestions to help the developers of the site, reporting bugs for the developers or helping scratchers with their projects. We deserve a break for 2 days after our tireless work, and not to mention the reasoning is not the best. It was sadly just a small minority who spammed last year and with newer forumers hearing about last year circumstances, I doubt it will happen again.
Exactly! We helped the Scratch community for free and we at least do deserve to have some fun in return.
DarthVader4Life
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

What if… there's a temporary sticky1 in each forum, of which are dedicated to April Fools? When April Fools is over, all you have to do is just close or dustbin it. Solves the ST having to clean up a lot and still lets us have our fun.

1: Either it is permanently stickied and just closed and reopened accordingly or just is unstickied afterwards. It could be dustbinned, too.
k0d3rrr
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

dertermenter wrote:

Us forumers put in the grind to help the Scratch Community over here in our own time, whether it is answering questions from scratchers, having constructive discussions in suggestions to help the developers of the site, reporting bugs for the developers or helping scratchers with their projects. We deserve a break for 2 days after our tireless work, and not to mention the reasoning is not the best. It was sadly just a small minority who spammed last year and with newer forumers hearing about last year circumstances, I doubt it will happen again.
If only there was an applause emoji on Scratch… Speeches like that is why Scratch is amazing. It connects brings the world together, helping each other when in need of help.

Last edited by k0d3rrr (March 17, 2022 22:42:29)

HogRidingWasTaken
New Scratcher
18 posts

Don't ban fun!

I mean, usless topics about ¨HALP MY PROJECT BROKEE!!!¨ with a link to Never Gonna Give You Up is not constructive, regardless of the day of the week.
DarthVader4Life
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

HogRidingWasTaken wrote:

I mean, usless topics about ¨HALP MY PROJECT BROKEE!!!¨ with a link to Never Gonna Give You Up is not constructive, regardless of the day of the week.
That's the point of April Fools, to joke around.
HogRidingWasTaken
New Scratcher
18 posts

Don't ban fun!

DarthVader4Life wrote:

That's the point of April Fools, to joke around.
It is often not a good idea to protest the Scratch Team´s choices because most of them are for our own good, there as probably a big issue and much consideration before they decided that.
Prime689
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

My personal opinion on banning the April Fools event is this;

It is important that the Scratch Team allows April Fools joke topics, but never encouraged them. An example of a better joke topic composes of the post being constructive, whilst centralizing on a comedic subject; treating it like it was a serious subject. I do agree that posting spam (in this context, posting incoherable content) on April fools should not be discouraged, but removed as it breaks the guidelines. Some 2021 April fools topics abide by the guidelines (like this one) and should not be considered spam.

The Scratch Team should have limited the April fools topic in the first place, by stating what I said above.

Last edited by Prime689 (March 18, 2022 00:17:33)

sharkode
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

Prime689 wrote:

My personal opinion on banning the April Fools event is this;

It is important that the Scratch Team allows April Fools joke topics, but never encouraged them. An example of a better joke topic composes of the post being constructive, whilst centralizing on a comedic subject; treating it like it was a serious subject. I do agree that posting spam (in this context, posting incoherable content) on April fools should not be discouraged, but removed as it breaks the guidelines. Some, or most 2021 April fools topics are constructive (like this one) and should not be considered spam.

The Scratch Team should have limited the April fools topic in the first place, by stating what I said above.
I disagree, April fool's topic should be encouraged because:

I wrote:

April fools topics is beneficial to the community because the community would learn that ST and the forumers are relatable people like them and not just some boring people without a sense of humour that are always formal, this could help to ease the tensions between ST and the community (there are some hostilities against ST in some parts of the community) and could make the community more favourable of ST.
Prime689
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

sharkode wrote:

I disagree, April fool's topic should be encouraged because:

I wrote:

April fools topics is beneficial to the community because the community would learn that ST and the forumers are relatable people like them and not just some boring people without a sense of humour that are always formal, this could help to ease the tensions between ST and the community (there are some hostilities against ST in some parts of the community) and could make the community more favourable of ST.
I do not think that spam should be encouraged; it will just set a bad role model on the ST.

Last edited by Prime689 (March 18, 2022 00:25:10)

sharkode
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

Prime689 wrote:

sharkode wrote:

I disagree, April fool's topic should be encouraged because:

I wrote:

April fools topics is beneficial to the community because the community would learn that ST and the forumers are relatable people like them and not just some boring people without a sense of humour that are always formal, this could help to ease the tensions between ST and the community (there are some hostilities against ST in some parts of the community) and could make the community more favourable of ST.
I do not think that spam should be encouraged; it will just set a bad role model on the ST.
I wasn't talking about spam.
dhuls
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

HogRidingWasTaken wrote:

(#48)

DarthVader4Life wrote:

That's the point of April Fools, to joke around.
It is often not a good idea to protest the Scratch Team´s choices because most of them are for our own good, there as probably a big issue and much consideration before they decided that.
They're not gods lol, they're wrong sometimes (cough cough browser extensions. manager restrictions).
han614698
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

AFD is not an excuse to break the ToU

dhuls wrote:

HogRidingWasTaken wrote:

(#48)

DarthVader4Life wrote:

That's the point of April Fools, to joke around.
It is often not a good idea to protest the Scratch Team´s choices because most of them are for our own good, there as probably a big issue and much consideration before they decided that.
They're not gods lol, they're wrong sometimes (cough cough browser extensions. manager restrictions).
That point is subjective.

Last edited by han614698 (March 18, 2022 00:45:43)

qloakonscratch
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

sharkode wrote:

VioletCalico wrote:

Oh by the way here’s the post link

The forums easily get clogged up with joke posts on April Fool’s Day, so I can see why they would not want any more joke topics. If someone actually had an issue or a question on that day, it would most likely not get answered, and that is a problem for many reasons.

sharkode wrote:

We forumers worked like free customer support to ST
I wouldn’t say I agree with that. It’s our choice to forum and we aren’t really working for Scratch or anything, just trying to help out. Personally, I forum to help people and to practice my formal writing skills.
Doesn't matter if we were doing this voluntarily or not, we make the job of ST much easier and saves a lots of their time and money, but what do we get in return? They wouldn't even let us use the forums to have some fun on April Fool's day! ST says it wastes their time cleaning up the topics, but they should also remember that we forumers save them way more time in moderation and customer support than we waste on April Fool's day.
The Scratch Team has to manage the entire website, every single forum, and live their lives on top of that. I think that's all the reward we need.
dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

han614698 wrote:

AFD is not an excuse to break the ToU

dhuls wrote:

HogRidingWasTaken wrote:

(#48)

DarthVader4Life wrote:

That's the point of April Fools, to joke around.
It is often not a good idea to protest the Scratch Team´s choices because most of them are for our own good, there as probably a big issue and much consideration before they decided that.
They're not gods lol, they're wrong sometimes (cough cough browser extensions. manager restrictions).
That point is subjective.
How comes it has been an excuse all the previous years?
-PizzaKing-
Scratcher
100+ posts

Don't ban fun!

We can also push the scratch team to open a whole other discussion (only on April fools day) that says “jokes” similar to the “suggestions” one.
Yellowsheep43
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

This topic should be renamed to “Don't ban joke posts on April Fool's Day”
portalpower
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

I think we should just say if it's a joke topic and assume that all topics that don't say they are are serious.
cheddargirl
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Don't ban fun!

I don't think an activity that is severely disruptive can be counted as fun.

I also don't think it's appropriate to justify being severely disruptive on April Fool's Day just because you were helping others on the forums (that's kind of a shallow reason to be helping others anyway).

I also think you can still find fun using studios and projects for April Fool's Day.

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