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ScolderCreations
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The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

This rule is rarely enforced, and the TOS hasn't been updated in a very long time. It's possible this rule doesn't even apply anymore, and they just didn't think to remove it.

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YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

ScolderCreations wrote:

This rule is rarely enforced, and the TOS hasn't been updated in a very long time. It's possible this rule doesn't even apply anymore, and they just didn't think to remove it.
Another answer like the others. I'd like for this to be true as it would save a lot of certain efforts on my part, and it would appear that your answer as well as other similar answers on this thread point things in that direction, but there still appear to be some challenges to this, such as the quote from Paddle2See that I mentioned earlier.

YesterdaysTomSawyer wrote:

I found a @Paddle2See quote on a thread from 2021 (last year) which reads as follows:

Paddle2See wrote:

Are you using this just to make backups / compare versions? Because the Terms of Use are pretty clear about not sharing projects created with other tools.
And then he goes on to cite ToU section 4.4. I wouldn't necessarily say that such a statement necessarily ends this discussion, nor does it mean that you are wrong, but this statement does seem to differ from what posts within this thread (including yours) have told me.
As I note, this quote does not necessarily end this discussion, since there are still things that should be debated (and I have yet to have a Scratch Team member or at least someone with almost as much knowledge as a Scratch Team member to post something on this thread), but it does indicate that there are certain challenges to the common answers. I appreciate the answers I have been getting, but this thread still has not reached a proper conclusion. For all I know, I might never get an answer that is as conclusive as I would like, and I might have to go with whatever I decide on, but for now this thread continues.
(EDIT: Inserted link to thread)

Last edited by YesterdaysTomSawyer (March 7, 2022 17:20:40)

YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

GERONIMO!
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Allons-y!
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Engage.
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

*beams aboard*
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

*TARDIS materialises*
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

*exits hyperspace*
MentalBox
Scratcher
100+ posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Usually when you have TOUs or TOSs they usually start with a list of definitions defining what means what so no loopholes or confusion of usage right/privilege. The issue here is the lack of definitions. What is the scratch editor defined as? What is scratch defined as? What qualifies a version of scratch as “unmodified?”
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

MentalBox wrote:

The issue here is the lack of definitions.
Precisely. The fact that the ToU does not fully elaborate on certain definitions is a cause of confusion. Also, it could or could not be drawn into question whether

Terms of Use wrote:

You may not upload (emphasis added) any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
means merely that you cannot share such projects, or if it means you cannot upload them at all (not even for private use.)
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Punch it! (NOTE: No, this isn't about punching people. It's a Star Wars reference. Just want to make that clear.)
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

I didn't end up bumping yesterday. So I'll just bump today.
Chiroyce
Scratcher
1000+ posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

As ScolderCreations said, this is rarely enforced so you shouldn't be too worried about it. As long as you don't upload projects which contain blocks that don't exist in Scratch, you should be good to go. Currently 71,800+ people are using a browser extension for Scratch that modifies the editor and probably none of them have ever received alerts for this.









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YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Chiroyce wrote:

As long as you don't upload projects which contain blocks that don't exist in Scratch, you should be good to go.
That's what I’d like to think. And that's what people have been telling me. But I have yet to have someone cite something which verifies this statement.

Chiroyce wrote:

Currently 71,800+ people are using a browser extension for Scratch that modifies the editor and probably none of them have ever received alerts for this.
That may be true, but there could be certain explanations for that which do not necessarily verify your conclusion. The fact that you have said “probably” indicates some uncertainty. I'm not saying that you're wrong, nor that similar answers are wrong, but that there are still certain holes which have not been filled.
Chiroyce
Scratcher
1000+ posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

YesterdaysTomSawyer wrote:

That may be true, but there could be certain explanations for that which do not necessarily verify your conclusion. The fact that you have said “probably” indicates some uncertainty. I'm not saying that you're wrong, nor that similar answers are wrong, but that there are still certain holes which have not been filled.
If they did receive alerts - the users would probably tell about this to the developers of the extension.









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YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Chiroyce wrote:

YesterdaysTomSawyer wrote:

That may be true, but there could be certain explanations for that which do not necessarily verify your conclusion. The fact that you have said “probably” indicates some uncertainty. I'm not saying that you're wrong, nor that similar answers are wrong, but that there are still certain holes which have not been filled.
If they did receive alerts - the users would probably tell about this to the developers of the extension.
Maybe, but again, keyword being “probably”.
TeddyBearRocker123
Scratcher
37 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

Okay, so I was actually reviewing the TOS a few hours ago, and it says this:

TOS wrote:

You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
This just means that your project cannot contain any blocks that are not in Scratch or don't work in Scratch. Technically, the “hacked blocks” are created partially with Scratch; ST just doesn't like it because it confuses New Scratchers (like me).
YesterdaysTomSawyer
Scratcher
69 posts

The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

TeddyBearRocker123 wrote:

TOS wrote:

You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
This just means that your project cannot contain any blocks that are not in Scratch or don't work in Scratch. Technically, the “hacked blocks” are created partially with Scratch; ST just doesn't like it because it confuses New Scratchers (like me).
The section doesn't mention blocks. It just mentions projects and editors.
historical_supa
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The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

yes, this section in the tou is very vague. the st has to update it someday









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YesterdaysTomSawyer
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The Editor Issue (Or: What makes an editor “modified” [and, as a result, not able to have its projects uploaded onto Scratch]?)

historical_supa wrote:

yes, this section in the tou is very vague. the st has to update it someday
Indeed. But unfortunately, that might not happen due to something noted earlier. To bring it up again, in this thread, @banana439monkey writes:

banana439monkey wrote:

the reason ToU hasn't been updated is because lawyers are expensive

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