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Chiroyce
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Discuss about Apple Silicon chips and macOS here! These are topics related to Macs.

Wikipedia wrote:

macOS (previously Mac OS X and later OS X) is a proprietary graphical operating system developed and marketed by Apple Inc. It is the primary operating system for Apple's Mac computers. Within the market of desktop and laptop computers it is the second most widely used desktop OS, after Windows NT and ahead of Chrome OS.
The topic for discussing all things related to macOS! It's a really good OS with a easy to use GUI, a great terminal with shells like Bash and Zsh, and support for tons of Apps. The new rise of Apple Silicon chips have made macOS better than ever. I use an M1 MacBook Air with macOS Big Sur and it's the best laptop experience I've had.

macOS is also based off of Unix, so that means it shares some similarities with Linux, which is also based off of Unix, and that's a great advantage for a lot of people. But keep in mind that Linux and macOS use different kernels, Linux and Darwin respectively.

macOS is extremely popular among software developers and people who work in the IT industry. A lot of casual laptop users and students also use it for writing emails, browsing the web, and editing a few documents or presentations. The main reason for this is the amazing compatibility with software and hardware, which Linux and Windows lack.

Linux and Windows are also great OSs for people who use laptops for other reasons, this is just a topic to talk about macOS and to highlight it's features and drawbacks.

History of Apple Silicon -

b1048546 wrote:

Here's the history of the M-Series chips:

In 2010, Apple announced their own custom silicon for the iPhone and iPad. They named it the A4 for the iPhone 4. Over time, they made new chips for their iPhones and iPads. They've made chips all the way up to the A15 Bionic.

Once in a while, Apple had announced chips that ended with either an X or a Z. However, this only happened sometimes. These chips have the same type of cores as their generation. For example, A12X and A12Z have the same cores as the A12 Bionic. This means that these chips are extensions. The extension chips usually have things like more CPU cores, GPU cores, and RAM than their predecessors. Usually, the extension chips were made for the iPad Pro and higher-end iPhones. Apple killed the X and Z variant with M1 Pro/Max.

New generations of chips (eg. A5, A6) get more efficient and more powerful. The core count is rarely changed. Eventually, Apple scaled up the A14 IP up to M1. They added two firestorm cores and 4 GPU cores to the M1. The M1 also had Mac-specific IPs, slightly higher clock speeds, and more ram. This led to the 8 core CPU, 8 core GPU, and a chip with 8/16 GB unified memory which is known M1. Apple had 10 years to perfect their chips and we ended up with the M1/A14 IP. Now we have a productive improvement in A15 with better E cores and memory management.

A14X is M1 and M1X is now known as M1 Pro/Max. If someone mentions M.X then they're talking about M<generation> Pro/Max. A14 IP means that every chip on that IP started from the A14 IP but added features that are Mac specific. Same goes for A15 IP, etc. M1 Pro and Max have up to a 10 core CPU, 32 core GPU, 64 GB unified memory. The chip has more media engines and features than M1. Future chips could include 2X and 4X variants of M1 Max.

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Venatus_123
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well…
i use device for gaming and probably something else

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Venatus_123 wrote:

gaming
what games?


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Chiroyce wrote:

Venatus_123 wrote:

gaming
what games?
I assume games that actually run. A scaled-up m-series chip (such as m1x) with an eGPU or a ton of integrated graphics cores could handle gaming. Games just need to be brought over to the mac lol

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Chiroyce wrote:

Venatus_123 wrote:

gaming
what games?
gta and probably fortnite

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Venatus_123 wrote:

fortnite
works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGyG1VBtzo


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Chiroyce wrote:

Venatus_123 wrote:

fortnite
works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGyG1VBtzo
what about gta v

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b1048546
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Here's the history of the M-Series chips:

In 2010, Apple announced their own custom silicon for the iPhone and iPad. They named it the A4 for the iPhone 4. Over time, they made new chips for their iPhones and iPads. They've made chips all the way up to the A15 Bionic.

Once in a while, Apple had announced chips that ended with either an X or a Z. However, this only happened sometimes. These chips have the same type of cores as their generation. For example, A12X and A12Z have the same cores as the A12 Bionic. This means that these chips are extensions. The extension chips usually have things like more CPU cores, GPU cores, and RAM than their predecessors. Usually, the extension chips were made for the iPad Pro and higher-end iPhones. Apple killed the X and Z variant with M1 Pro/Max.

New generations of chips (eg. A5, A6) get more efficient and more powerful. The core count is rarely changed. Eventually, Apple scaled up the A14 IP up to M1. They added two firestorm cores and 4 GPU cores to the M1. The M1 also had Mac-specific IPs, slightly higher clock speeds, and more ram. This led to the 8 core CPU, 8 core GPU, and a chip with 8/16 GB unified memory which is known M1. Apple had 10 years to perfect their chips and we ended up with the M1/A14 IP. Now we have a productive improvement in A15 with better E cores and memory management.

A14X is M1 and M1X is now known as M1 Pro/Max. If someone mentions M.X then they're talking about M<generation> Pro/Max. A14 IP means that every chip on that IP started from the A14 IP but added features that are Mac specific. Same goes for A15 IP, etc. M1 Pro and Max have up to a 10 core CPU, 32 core GPU, 64 GB unified memory. The chip has more media engines and features than M1. Future chips could include 2X and 4X variants of M1 Max.

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b1048546 wrote:

Here's the history of the m-series chips:
added to the OP!


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Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

Here's the history of the m-series chips:
added to the OP!
I may format it better later since it's kind of a mess now.
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b1048546 wrote:

I may format it better later since it's kind of a mess now.
Ok!
Also the new M1X or the M2 chip is planned to come out this September - on the new 16" MacBook pro, and maybe the 14" MacBook pro.


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There have been leaked benchmarks of the 14 core Intel Alder Lake CPU. (They may not be true as they're leaks.) It includes six Golden Cove cores and eight Gracemon cores. However, they lose to both M1 AND the AMD Ryzen 7 5800H. The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance. If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
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b1048546 wrote:

If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
They will soon, with M1X (hopefully lol)!

b1048546 wrote:

The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance.
Yep!




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Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
They will soon, with M1X (hopefully lol)!

b1048546 wrote:

The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance.
Yep!


Is more or less better?

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dhuls wrote:

Is more or less better?
More, so the i9 is better, but it does come close in terms of single core.

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Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
They will soon, with M1X (hopefully lol)!

b1048546 wrote:

The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance.
Yep!


ayyy my dad have ASus but im not allowed to use it

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Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

I may format it better later since it's kind of a mess now.
Ok!
Also the new M1X or the M2 chip is planned to come out this September - on the new 16" MacBook pro, and maybe the 14" MacBook pro.
No, they'll get M1X. As I said, the number is the generation. Why would they have high-end products contain a generation product? An m1x would be > m2 in everything to do with multi-core. Assuming M1X is coming, (which I do think so) I think it'll get a CPU that's 10 or 12 cores. (I don't mean options, I mean either a 10 or 12 core chip as SET.) If it's 10 cores then 8 high-performance cores and 2 efficiency cores. If it's 12 cores then I think it'll be 8 high-performance cores and 4 efficiency cores (Unlike others who think if it's a 12 core CPU then it'll get 10 high-performance cores.) Either way, I expect them to use TSMCs N5P node enhancement, which delivers 15% power savings vs N5. This allows them to have fewer efficiency cores. (Plus these pro models will have bigger batteries.) I also expect Apple to include a 16-32 core GPU. The M1X will have 32 GPU cores but Apple can utilize chip binning to create a variety of chip options. This can give them better yields for chiplets that failed in testing but work enough to sell them. So for something like the Mac Pro, I expect them to save a TON of money. I expect the Mac Pro to have 4 or 8 efficiency cores. That's going to save them a ton of money because then they can put M1X chips together using chiplet technology. This means that Apple can mass-produce a single chip and save a TON of money. That is if any of this actually happens. (This is also assuming it's a 10-core CPU, a 12-core CPU would have slightly different numbers.) Apple will never truly make a desktop though. One word: Cooling. That may change if they add 2 fans in the new Macbook Pros. Hopefully, they can integrate that into their higher-end “desktops”. However, most people who actually need more cooling probably use Linux or sometimes Windows. For desktops, AMD and Intel are the ones competing. macOS doesn't work for a lot of things, especially for companies who need servers for data. (It doesn't matter how good their chips get, they need cooling.) You can't go into a data center without wearing a jacket. So for higher-end CPUs, Apple doesn't really have anyone to compete with.
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Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
They will soon, with M1X (hopefully lol)!

b1048546 wrote:

The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance.
Yep!


Intel is doing really badly right now. Struggling to beat the WEAKEST m-series chip, the M1. (That doesn't include higher end. We can't compare desktops to computers even though Apple is doing a really good job, with M1X *maybe.*) They're struggling with their 14 core chip.

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By the way, it's chiplets. Not chip“sets”.
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b1048546 wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

If Apple can make it scale well they can create a ridiculous chip.
They will soon, with M1X (hopefully lol)!

b1048546 wrote:

The great thing about M1 is its single-core performance.
Yep!


Intel is doing really badly right now. Struggling to beat the WEAKEST m-series chip, the M1.
They've been stuck on 14 nm for 6 years now come on!

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