Firefox is good and protects web standards, I'm using it right now.
I mean, can Google, Apple, and Microsoft especially be trusted to follow standards and not do some stupid proprietary thing?

Firefox for Android is a different story.

potatophant wrote:

what are they going to do with the knowledge of whether i'm idle or not, anyway?

ok fair point - but what about this?

That Site wrote:

An alarming new update from Google that hasn’t yet made headlines has suddenly put Chrome’s 2.6 billion users at risk of “surveillance, manipulation and abuse.” If you’re one of those users, this nasty new surprise just gave you a reason to quit.

Chrome has serious issues when it comes to protecting your security and your privacy. The world’s leading browser has issued one urgent fix after another this year, as high-risk exploits have been found in the wild; and just a few weeks ago, Google finally admitted it had “accidentally” allowed millions of users to be secretly tracked.

Google says it wants to change, to put your privacy first, that web tracking is now out of control and has resulted in “an erosion of trust.” But as DuckDuckGo warns, “it’s all noise until Google actually agrees to collect less data and do less behavioral targeting.”

Firefox Topic -> Google Goes in The Barbecue Topic

potatophant wrote:

firefox is a good browser, and i used to use it, but i don't intend on switching back from chrome anytime soon, for the same reason i think i'll keep using windows as my primary operating system. in windows' case, i don't care about the “inconistent ui” or whether the corners are rounded or flat, it doesn't affect the function of the product and i actually really like windows 10's ui. windows just works, it might not do it very gracefully but it does everything i need it to do and it does it quite efficiently. my computer also isn't a repurposed trash can that gets pinned opening up task manager. anyway, short offtopic rant about operating systems aside, the reason i still use chrome is quite similar. afaik most of googles' tracking is in their actual sites, not chrome. i use duck duck goose as a search engine and use an android phone anyway (albeit lineage os). chrome is just laid out in a way that i prefer.

And Linux works 500 times better. Like seriously, I've very, very few problems with five different distros. Also, yes Chrome does track you, and coming up soon, it gets worse. https://www.howtogeek.com/724441/what-is-googles-floc-and-how-will-it-track-you-online/ Anyways, back on topic, I used to use FIrefox (or a fork of a fork anyways) However I now use Vivaldi, because it as better privacy, control, and customizability.

skymover1239 wrote:

And Linux works 500 times better. Like seriously, I've very, very few problems with five different distros. Also, yes Chrome does track you, and coming up soon, it gets worse. https://www.howtogeek.com/724441/what-is-googles-floc-and-how-will-it-track-you-online/ Anyways, back on topic, I used to use FIrefox (or a fork of a fork anyways) However I now use Vivaldi, because it as better privacy, control, and customizability.

neither the adobe suite, visual studio, various drivers for products i own, and various programs i use, will run at all on linux. i don't really care about chrome's tracking anymore. i also don't have anything to hide. i'd rather people stopped jumping on anyone who doesn't use firefox on linux than stop using my current setup.

potatophant wrote:

i use, will run at all on linux

https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur/
https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey-preview/

You might not be happy with hardware or price - but admit it, macOS is better than Windows.

Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

i use, will run at all on linux

https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur/
https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey-preview/

You might not be happy with hardware or price - but admit it, macOS is better than Windows.

to put it frankly, macos is a horribly designed operating system made by a company with no respect for the environment, their users, or my wallet.

potatophant wrote:

macos is a horribly designed operating system

Why?

potatophant wrote:

with no respect for the environment

Sometimes yes - sometimes no, but yeah I agree.

potatophant wrote:

their users

Same as before, as per my experience they haven't treated me or any of my friends/family badly though, but may not be the same for others.

potatophant wrote:

or my wallet.

skymover1239 wrote:

However I now use Vivaldi, because it as better privacy, control, and customizability.

Isn't Vivaldi Chromium based, and made by some radom Chinese developers, like Opera?

potatophant wrote:

i also don't have anything to hide.

In that sense, neither do I, but in another sense, I have everything to hide. It's my personal information, and no one has the right to sell it for their own profit behind my back. It's my data, my personal information.

LegoManiac04 wrote:

Isn't Vivaldi Chromium based, and made by some radom Chinese developers, like Opera?

Vivaldi's website is misleading, it says this —


But then —

— https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/

Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

with no respect for the environment

Sometimes yes - sometimes no, but yeah I agree.

always, they make their products intentionally hard to open up and/or repair, and design iphone batteries so that they last 1 day on launch (in hope that by the time the next generation of iphones launches, the battery will be so bad that you want to get the next one), which is a really big problem.

Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

macos is a horribly designed operating system

Why?

i often see people saying that windows is too tablet oriented, if that's the case, macos is worse. the “dock” is enormous, launchpad takes up the entire screen and has a very touchscreen-esque interface, the window management is really really bad, and things can often be really hard to find (often tucked away in menus).

Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

their users

Same as before, as per my experience they haven't treated me or any of my friends/family badly though, but may not be the same for others.

it took them 13 years to implement an app drawer and widgets to ios, something people have been asking about for ages. they also haven't added a calculator app to ipad because “the design needs to be perfect”. nobody cares about the design of a calculator app. all they want to do is have their ipad solve a sum for them.

Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

macos is a horribly designed operating system

Why?

It has weird changes from Windows and Linux for no reason whatsoever.

Chiroyce wrote:

LegoManiac04 wrote:

Isn't Vivaldi Chromium based, and made by some radom Chinese developers, like Opera?

Vivaldi's website is misleading, it says this —


But then —

— https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/

I'll guess that Vivaldi is just bragging & lying for the ⩿.

I'm sticking to chrome for now.

potatophant wrote:

i also don't really care about chrome's tracking anymore. i also don't have anything to hide. i'd rather people stopped jumping on anyone who doesn't use firefox on linux than stop using my current setup.

Same. Sure, Google may be stealing my information and making money off me, but they're providing free services which are very useful, such as Google Docs (to name one of the many). And I'm pretty sure all the information they collect is used to make things like Google Assistant and my search results smarter, which is a good thing in my eyes. I'm not all that bothered by it.

xXRedTheCoderXx wrote:

Same. Sure, Google may be stealing my information and making money off me, but they're providing free services which are very useful, such as Google Docs (to name one of the many). And I'm pretty sure all the information they collect is used to make things like Google Assistant and my search results smarter, which is a good thing in my eyes. I'm not all that bothered by it.

Honestly, just chrome is the bigger problem. Google Docs, sure, but you don't constantly use it.

xXRedTheCoderXx wrote:

I'm pretty sure all the information they collect is used to make things like Google Assistant and my search results smarter,

Yes, but it's also sold to third parties for advertising

Firefox is the best browser! The dev tools are so good and the speed and privacy is epic!

Fun fact: If Mozilla adds extension support to Firefox for Android I'd gladly switch to Firefox everywhere.

dhuls wrote:

xXRedTheCoderXx wrote:

I'm pretty sure all the information they collect is used to make things like Google Assistant and my search results smarter,

Yes, but it's also sold to third parties for advertising

I know, but like I said I'm not bothered by that.