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MagicCrayon9342
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The scratchr2 topic

Naleksuh wrote:

For the record, scratchr2's UI looks nothing like Scratch 2.0's UI. But yes, scratchr2's UI is much better. I can't look at www for more than a few seconds without burning up
scratchr2's UI is DISGUSTINGLY old fashioned. #ModernUI Hasn't been updated since 2008 no wonder.

Last edited by MagicCrayon9342 (Jan. 8, 2022 01:25:32)


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I have no idea what “#ModernUI” is, but scratchr2 did not exist in 2008.

Also, scratchr2's UI is both modern and unique. scratch-www's UI is just taking that, adding unnecessary space and fluff, then copying material design


That said, I will admit which UI is “better” is subjective. For everything that has one objectively better option, scratchr2 is that one. Never scratch-www.

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MagicCrayon9342
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Naleksuh wrote:

I have no idea what “#ModernUI” is, but scratchr2 did not exist in 2008.

Also, scratchr2's UI is both modern and unique. scratch-www's UI is just taking that, adding unnecessary space and fluff, then copying material design


That said, I will admit which UI is “better” is subjective. For everything that has one objectively better option, scratchr2 is that one. Never scratch-www.
Scratch 3 UI but more compact would be the good choice.

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MagicCrayon9342
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Also I do question why you seem to not be happy about following material design.

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The scratchr2 topic

Naleksuh wrote:

For the record, scratchr2's UI looks nothing like Scratch 2.0's UI. But yes, scratchr2's UI is much better. I can't look at www for more than a few seconds without burning up
wait until the forums + user pages are WWW'd

Naleksuh wrote:

then copying material design
Google never copyrighted Material design or anything, I actually like it, looks really good.
https://material.io/design

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I touched on it briefly here (pun accidentally intended) but I think my biggest complaint with WWW pages as they are is that they're terribly mobile unfriendly despite apparently having native mobile support with HTML5. The project player and front page especially are a whole can of worms.

Since the 2.0 pages on mobile are just zoomed out desktop pages, it makes them ironically much better to navigate since I can actually…y'know, navigate without having to flip to portrait because the website won't scroll.

Chiroyce wrote:

Google never copyrighted Material design or anything, I actually like it, looks really good.
https://material.io/design

I like Material too but it's like hearing a joke I've heard thousands of times. I am so very tired of webpages playing it as safe and corporate as possible, with the same plastic-y designs, 500MB JavaScript dependencies, and images that cover half the page so you spend longer on the site. I cherish when I find a webpage from the days where the whole point was to create a functioning, nice-looking webpage that doesn't adhere to that but is still fun to navigate and practical to use. Material embodies everything I hate about these new web conventions. Again, not that it's a bad theme at all, but because of what it means now.

I understand that this thread is more for Naleksuh to make 3000 posts about how much he hates WWW, which is kind of annoying but the guy's got a point–we live in a future where webpage bloat is the norm because endusers don't know better.




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NanoRook wrote:

500MB JavaScript dependencies
thats a good point - bloated css + js


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NanoRook wrote:

I touched on it briefly here (pun accidentally intended) but I think my biggest complaint with WWW pages as they are is that they're terribly mobile unfriendly despite apparently having native mobile support with HTML5. The project player and front page especially are a whole can of worms.

Since the 2.0 pages on mobile are just zoomed out desktop pages, it makes them ironically much better to navigate since I can actually…y'know, navigate without having to flip to portrait because the website won't scroll.
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Naleksuh wrote:

Also, scratchr2's UI is both modern and unique. scratch-www's UI is just taking that, adding unnecessary space and fluff, then copying material design
I don't think scratchr2's UI is modern – the way it uses shadows and gradients certainly isn't – but it's certainly more consistent than scratch-www's.


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I can agree that Scratch-WWW is definitely more inconsistent than ScratchR2.

The pages that were transitioned to WWW before 3.0 came out are generally a bit more consistent in terms of design; the Explore, Search, and Messages pages, for example, are nearly identical in terms of basic layout. I think the key factor in this consistency is that all of these pages were redesigned within a few months of each other, in 2016.



However, after 3.0 came out, this process slowed to a crawl; the most recent redesign, the studio page, looks absolutely nothing like any of these.



The studio page features elements such as borderless project thumbnails, buttons that dim when hovered over and sink in when clicked, and a overall blue tint across the entire page. None of these features are present on any of the pre-3.0 WWW pages.

I think the explanation for this is pretty clear; the studio pages didn't even begin development until two and a half years after Scratch 3.0 was released, during which time not a single page was migrated. There is a direct correlation between the consistency of the website's design and the amount of time between each page being migrated.

If the studio pages were migrated back in 2019 when 3.0 came out, or if other pages were migrated in between 2019 and 2021, then maybe studios would be more consistent with the rest of the website… but instead, we now find ourselves with somewhat of a mess.

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NanoRook wrote:

I understand that this thread is more for Naleksuh to make 3000 posts about how much he hates WWW, which is kind of annoying but the guy's got a point–we live in a future where webpage bloat is the norm because endusers don't know better.
Yeah - people see the amazing UIs and think that it's great, but most of them don't realise why a page is so slow to load, bloat. Companies are exploiting uneducated web users


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Here is another example of inconsistency in scratch-www: buttons (modified to have the same width in the image for easier comparison).


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Maximouse wrote:

Here is another example of inconsistency in scratch-www: buttons (modified to have the same width in the image for easier comparison).
This as well

(border is present outside of project thumbnail in explore page)


(border is not present outside of project thumbnail in explore page)


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Maximouse wrote:

Here is another example of inconsistency in scratch-www: buttons (modified to have the same width in the image for easier comparison).
Where did you get “post” from?

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mybearworld wrote:

Maximouse wrote:

Here is another example of inconsistency in scratch-www: buttons (modified to have the same width in the image for easier comparison).
Where did you get “post” from?
Project/studio comments.


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Maximouse wrote:

Project/studio comments.
oh, the increased width threw me off

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Chiroyce wrote:

Maximouse wrote:

Here is another example of inconsistency in scratch-www: buttons (modified to have the same width in the image for easier comparison).
This as well
(border is present outside of project thumbnail in explore page)
(border is not present outside of project thumbnail in explore page)
These two images also show another inconsistency: the size of profile pictures below project thumbnails is 32x32 on the Explore page and 42x42 on the studio page. The resizing method is different too (stretch vs cover). I hope this is something they will eventually fix – there is an issue about it in the scratch-www repo.

Because the images are enlarged, a bug is also visible: on the studio page, there is a gap between the rounded corners of the project thumbnail and the border of the tile. This is because both have the same border radius of 8px, even though the tile has an 1px border. The border radius of the image should be 7px.

Scratch137 wrote:

I think the explanation for this is pretty clear; the studio pages didn't even begin development until two and a half years after Scratch 3.0 was released, during which time not a single page was migrated. There is a direct correlation between the consistency of the website's design and the amount of time between each page being migrated.
Which also explains why scratchr2 is much more consistent: it was only in development for two or three years. Bootstrap probably helped as well.

It's interesting how buttons added in 2016 (“Load More”) and 2017 (“Try it”) use 8px border radius, 2019 (“See the latest”, “See inside”, “Post”) use 4px, and Follow Studio (2021) uses 8px again.


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Maximouse wrote:

Naleksuh wrote:

Also, scratchr2's UI is both modern and unique. scratch-www's UI is just taking that, adding unnecessary space and fluff, then copying material design
I don't think scratchr2's UI is modern – the way it uses shadows and gradients certainly isn't – but it's certainly more consistent than scratch-www's.
annndddd i feel very old now because a lot of stuff back then had the ui style

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Jeffalo wrote:

naleksuh, i heard you were funding the scratch foundation so that they'll move to scratchr2 only. how much you putting in?
well codubee suggested $100,000,000, but i think Naleksuh is ready to give more….


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Chiroyce wrote:

Jeffalo wrote:

naleksuh, i heard you were funding the scratch foundation so that they'll move to scratchr2 only. how much you putting in?
well codubee suggested $100,000,00, but i think Naleksuh is ready to give more….


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