because any project that gains enough love-its in a week can get on the top-loved section, regardless of age, this poses a problem. it seems like extremely popular projects will begin to dominate the front page. it will also make popular people exponentially more popular.

i liked the old site because it held fame in moderation - maybe you got a ton of views after you uploaded, but then the views slowly petered out. although this is bad for people who are not already popular - maybe their projects faded away after a time - i liked it because nobody could rise to a position of unrivaled fame where the views just kept coming and coming.

although i dont know if what i am saying will occur, it seems like a bad idea to allow certain users and projects to become essentially aristocratic.

You are honorable. You ARE one of the more famous scratchers and you're thinking that people getting too famous is bad, instead of drowning in fame.
I support for that and because what you are saying is true.

Support. People who aren't that popular also need a chance to get to the Front Page.

Support, this is a change in Scratch I don't appreciate and would like to see changed.

Support. A slightly longer time on the front page might be good, but we have to give new scratchers a chance.

I support.

Agreed.

I wouldn't call myself the most famous scratcher, but I see nothing about me on the front page when I upload a project.

Except on the ‘what people are sharing’, which kinda confused me but then I understood it

I feel like old projects should NOT fade away like that. Let's suppose you worked for MONTHS on a project, and it turned out amazing. And then 3 weeks later, NOBODY views it. That doesn't sound right to me. To me, that's unfair whether you're popular or not.

But I do say that we should give other, less popular Scratchers a chance. Here's a topic I just posted about how we could do that: New front page carousel.

Failord wrote:

I feel like old projects should NOT fade away like that. Let's suppose you worked for MONTHS on a project, and it turned out amazing. And then 3 weeks later, NOBODY views it. That doesn't sound right to me. To me, that's unfair whether you're popular or not.

But I do say that we should give other, less popular Scratchers a chance. Here's a topic I just posted about how we could do that: New front page carousel.

i agree. projects should not just fade away especially when you worked hard and it is awesome. that being said, they shouldn't always be there either. i am talking about projects that have already had their fair share of time on the front page, like those with 400+ love-its. if a project is ignored, there are always curators and featuring.

Wes64 wrote:

Failord wrote:

I feel like old projects should NOT fade away like that. Let's suppose you worked for MONTHS on a project, and it turned out amazing. And then 3 weeks later, NOBODY views it. That doesn't sound right to me. To me, that's unfair whether you're popular or not.

But I do say that we should give other, less popular Scratchers a chance. Here's a topic I just posted about how we could do that: New front page carousel.

i agree. projects should not just fade away especially when you worked hard and it is awesome. that being said, they shouldn't always be there either. i am talking about projects that have already had their fair share of time on the front page, like those with 400+ love-its. if a project is ignored, there are always curators and featuring.

To my understanding of the new front page system, if a project has been on the front page before, then it wouldn't eligible for getting on the front page again.

cheddargirl wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

Failord wrote:

I feel like old projects should NOT fade away like that. Let's suppose you worked for MONTHS on a project, and it turned out amazing. And then 3 weeks later, NOBODY views it. That doesn't sound right to me. To me, that's unfair whether you're popular or not.

But I do say that we should give other, less popular Scratchers a chance. Here's a topic I just posted about how we could do that: New front page carousel.

i agree. projects should not just fade away especially when you worked hard and it is awesome. that being said, they shouldn't always be there either. i am talking about projects that have already had their fair share of time on the front page, like those with 400+ love-its. if a project is ignored, there are always curators and featuring.

To my understanding of the new front page system, if a project has been on the front page before, then it wouldn't eligible for getting on the front page again.

this project: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/2697889/

it seems like the user unshared it and then shared it again because the upload date is yesterday. but it has actually been featured a long time ago.

cheddargirl wrote:

To my understanding of the new front page system, if a project has been on the front page before, then it wouldn't eligible for getting on the front page again.

I'm sorry, but I don't like the way that sounds, because as I said above, if it isn't on the front page, it pretty much doesn't get viewed. Part of the problem, I think, is the restriced, chronological-order Explore page. That needs to be totally re-done, because the front page is WAY more useful for navigating. And what's wrong with an older project popping up again, even if it was popular before? The site would be a lot more dynamic! The projects on the front page are pretty much there for the week, making Scratch boring if I'm in the mood for seeing what other people make. And again, the Explore page is not very helpful or open.

Please, visit my topic and rate it! I hate to see good projects vanish after a short week or so of views! What's the point of sharing if it really isn't seen a week after? That seems against the spirit of Scratch, doesn't it?

Failord wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

To my understanding of the new front page system, if a project has been on the front page before, then it wouldn't eligible for getting on the front page again.

I'm sorry, but I don't like the way that sounds, because as I said above, if it isn't on the front page, it pretty much doesn't get viewed.

I don't understand the logic for disliking it in that sense. If a project was popular in the past, then that means it was likely on the front page in the past and therefore no longer eligible for getting on there. I thought the point of giving everyone an even chance was to make more unknown projects appear up there?

cheddargirl wrote:

I don't understand the logic for disliking it in that sense. If a project was popular in the past, then that means it was likely on the front page in the past and therefore no longer eligible for getting on there. I thought the point of giving everyone an even chance was to make more unknown projects appear up there?

Unknown RECENT projects. That's the problem. And if a new carousel for older stuff is random, it should technically be fair, even if you were front paged before. After all, my old argument, if you worked hard on a project, shouldn't it still be viewed a little bit 3 weeks later? I'm not against new projects, and in fact I think it's good that the site stays up-to date. But the point of sharing something is so people can see it! And it isn't really seen if it isn't on the front page, is it?

While we're at it, I'd like to point out (AGAIN) that the Explore page isn't very helpful, so it's not used much(Can anybody confirm this, please?) and it's chronological, which by definition isn't very nice to older projects. People prefer the front page to navigate, because it shows more projects in SCROLLING CAROUSELS used in every other part of the site(hint, hint).

Okay, I'm getting a bit rude. I'm all worked up about it because older stuff isn't given a chance at all, because of the front page system. I'm sorry.

Failord wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

I don't understand the logic for disliking it in that sense. If a project was popular in the past, then that means it was likely on the front page in the past and therefore no longer eligible for getting on there. I thought the point of giving everyone an even chance was to make more unknown projects appear up there?

Unknown RECENT projects. That's the problem. And if it's random, it should technically be fair, even if you were front paged before. After all, my old argument, if you worked hard on a project, shouldn't it still be viewed 3 weeks later?

Now I'm really confused by what you're trying to say. The old site made it ineligible for a 3-week old project to get the front page unless it somehow got featured or curated. Not putting in the date restriction means that if your project is old (like three weeks, or even beyond that), it still has a chance to be front paged if it ever got discovered and loved by Scratchers sometime later after the initial share date.

cheddargirl wrote:

Now I'm really confused by what you're trying to say. The old site made it ineligible for a 3-week old project to get the front page unless it somehow got featured or curated. Not putting in the date restriction means that if your project is old (like three weeks, or even beyond that), it still has a chance to be front paged if it ever got discovered and loved by Scratchers sometime later after the initial share date.

Okay, that's a start. Bear with me for a moment. (I edited the above post, by the way)

I just want a new carousel for projects older than 3 weeks to show up on the bottom of the front page. It picks projects randomly every time you load the page, almost indiscriminately. It just wouldn't show projects by Scratchers who have been in trouble for innapropriate stuff before.

This is so, regardless of how old or how popular, a project can be viewed again, potentially every day by at least one person, assuming the carousel is used. No need to remove the old system, just to add this feature.

Basically, sort of the reverse of “What the community is sharing.” It would better allow re-discovery, as you said above. That's not bad, is it?

That's all I want. Because that way I can find good projects more easily when I'm tired of the stuff that's already front paged. I posted a topic on this already. This- discussion about moderation and stuff should be redirected over there.

Failord wrote:

While we're at it, I'd like to point out (AGAIN) that the Explore page isn't very helpful, so it's not used much(Can anybody confirm this, please?) and it's chronological, which by definition isn't very nice to older projects. People prefer the front page to navigate, because it shows more projects in SCROLLING CAROUSELS used in every other part of the site(hint, hint).

It actually is nicer to older project if you search based on relevancy instead of recent. The old search was a custom Google search and prone to SEO problems (such as high view count or high linkage to the projects due to faves and remixes), which forces popular projects to the top of the search. If you search based on relevancy, you're more likely to find a project that you are looking for regardless of its views, love-its. faves, remixes, etc.

cheddargirl wrote:

Failord wrote:

While we're at it, I'd like to point out (AGAIN) that the Explore page isn't very helpful, so it's not used much(Can anybody confirm this, please?) and it's chronological, which by definition isn't very nice to older projects. People prefer the front page to navigate, because it shows more projects in SCROLLING CAROUSELS used in every other part of the site(hint, hint).

It actually is nicer to older project if you search based on relevancy instead of recent. The old search was a custom Google search and prone to SEO problems (such as high view count or high linkage to the projects due to faves and remixes), which forces popular projects to the top of the search. If you search based on relevancy, you're more likely to find a project that you are looking for regardless of its views, love-its. faves, remixes, etc.

Nothing on adding carousels? Because that's one of the things I love about 2.0, and I was disappointed about the Explore page not having them. It would make the Explore page actually be practically USEFUL. It looks almost like the 1.4 front page because it only shows three projects to a row.

And it also gives you the same stuff, with little variation. The random order could be a lot better.

But on a more positive note, that is good to know.

We need to ask carousel horses if we can borrow some

mythbusteranimator wrote:

We need to ask carousel horses if we can borrow some

I didn't name the system.