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AmazingMech2418
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Revert to the Old Muting System

Congratulations, Scratch Team! You figured out how to make the muting system worse! XD

Literally, now, if you comment something that won't send because the filter doesn't like it, you get muted! False mutes were always a thing, but now you can get muted for literally talking about the subset of a protein, because it thinks it's “unmoderated chat”! LOL! Like I literally did that and I just got muted for 20 minutes. Like WHAT?!

Oh, and also, for saying the name of an unmoderated chat site, even accidentally, you get muted? I hate to break it to you, but nowhere in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines does it say you can't reference an unmoderated chat site. Like the most well-known one is even a word that was used in the “I Have A Dream” speech! Someone might not even try to refer to it, and there's nothing against it anyways! The Community Guidelines say no links to unmoderated chat. So, you can't post the URL, but you should be able to say the name. XD

Like do you really think that this will make people happier about the muting system when it just increases false mutings? Like come on! The old one was still terrible, but not as bad as this!

Oh, and the filter is now more sensitive too! Literally, one person got muted for adding “>” to an emoticon for the “Ninjas Assemble” studio thing. Like WHAT?! Seriously, this is ridiculous…

So, basically, please revert to the old system, and please reform it to be better if you can, but don't automatically mute based on the filter, and please think about reducing some of the restrictions which there is nothing against in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines.

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
Steve0Greatness
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ST might have a huge list of things that the filter bot filters.
Also the part of the CGs that say:

CGs wrote:

Keep personal info private.
For safety reasons, don't give out any information that could be used for private communication - such as real last names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.
basically seems to have been extended to everything relating to moderated chat sites(like twitter handles(?(sorry, I don't use twitter, so I don't know what they're called)), the simple mention of Discord, and everything else like that).

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Ihatr
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Revert to the Old Muting System

I don't think the old muting system should be removed, but it needs to be drastically changed. For one, each day you should have three “passes” where you don't get muted even if a bad word is there. You can then actually look at what's wrong. If it gets continuously posted, then it can initiate the current system.


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Prime689
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Oh woohoo being ironic

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Oh, and also, for saying the name of an unmoderated chat site, even accidentally, you get muted?
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Yeah, it's a procedure for the best.

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

I hate to break it to you, but nowhere in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines does it say you can't reference an unmoderated chat site.
The ToU holds all of the legal agreements for the website.

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Oh, and the filter is now more sensitive too! Literally, one person got muted for adding “>” to an emoticon for the “Ninjas Assemble” studio thing. Like WHAT?! Seriously, this is ridiculous…
There is likely a bad word/reference that you need to dig upon.


AmazingMech2428 wrote:

So, basically, please revert to the old system, and please reform it to be better if you can, but don't automatically mute based on the filter, and please think about reducing some of the restrictions which there is nothing against in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines.
Restrictions for what? Do you say that you don't want restrictions?

Amazingmech2418 wrote:

The Community Guidelines say no links to unmoderated chat. So, you can't post the URL, but you should be able to say the name. XD
Try to post “discord” and another link.










































































































































































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AmazingMech2418
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Revert to the Old Muting System

Steve0Greatness wrote:

ST might have a huge list of things that the filter bot filters.
Also the part of the CGs that say:

CGs wrote:

Keep personal info private.
For safety reasons, don't give out any information that could be used for private communication - such as real last names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.
basically seems to have been extended to everything relating to moderated chat sites(like twitter handles(?(sorry, I don't use twitter, so I don't know what they're called)), the simple mention of Discord, and everything else like that).
They do have a list, and they do say that, but it says links. Simply mentioning something is not included in there. It could be someone another person knows in real life that they're just trying to refer to a conversation or something, or even just using the word! Because it is an actual word. And now, someone gets muted for saying it!

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

Please see these projects:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540656683/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540565906/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540533415/



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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
AmazingMech2418
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Revert to the Old Muting System

Ihatr wrote:

I don't think the old muting system should be removed, but it needs to be drastically changed. For one, each day you should have three “passes” where you don't get muted even if a bad word is there. You can then actually look at what's wrong. If it gets continuously posted, then it can initiate the current system.
Well, what if someone has a comment that the filter accidentally thinks is bad, but really is fine and they are just trying to figure out what the filter doesn't like about it? In my opinion, muting should be manually done based on information reported to the ST about what a person was trying to say.

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

Please see these projects:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540656683/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540565906/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540533415/



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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
Steve0Greatness
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AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Ihatr wrote:

I don't think the old muting system should be removed, but it needs to be drastically changed. For one, each day you should have three “passes” where you don't get muted even if a bad word is there. You can then actually look at what's wrong. If it gets continuously posted, then it can initiate the current system.
Well, what if someone has a comment that the filter accidentally thinks is bad, but really is fine and they are just trying to figure out what the filter doesn't like about it? In my opinion, muting should be manually done based on information reported to the ST about what a person was trying to say.
This kinda reminds me of the fact that you can't mention browser extensions on the site, but they don't mention anything about them anywhere in the CGs.

But, mentions to unmoded sites are technically still against the CGs:

CGs wrote:

Keep personal info private.
For safety reasons, don't give out any information that could be used for private communication - such as real last names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.
I'd like to draw your attention to that part.

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AmazingMech2418
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Revert to the Old Muting System

Prime689 wrote:

Oh woohoo being ironic

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Oh, and also, for saying the name of an unmoderated chat site, even accidentally, you get muted?
.
Yeah, it's a procedure for the best.

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

I hate to break it to you, but nowhere in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines does it say you can't reference an unmoderated chat site.
The ToU holds all of the legal agreements for the website.

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Oh, and the filter is now more sensitive too! Literally, one person got muted for adding “>” to an emoticon for the “Ninjas Assemble” studio thing. Like WHAT?! Seriously, this is ridiculous…
There is likely a bad word/reference that you need to dig upon.


AmazingMech2428 wrote:

So, basically, please revert to the old system, and please reform it to be better if you can, but don't automatically mute based on the filter, and please think about reducing some of the restrictions which there is nothing against in the Terms of Use or the Community Guidelines.
Restrictions for what? Do you say that you don't want restrictions?

Amazingmech2418 wrote:

The Community Guidelines say no links to unmoderated chat. So, you can't post the URL, but you should be able to say the name. XD
Try to post “discord” and another link.
If someone accidentally says something, not knowing it's an unmoderated chat name, the person shouldn't get muted. It's all in context. And also, saying “>XD” is not bad. LOL! And there should be restrictions, but in no way is saying “amino acid” bad, yet Scratch still censors it.

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

Please see these projects:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540656683/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540565906/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540533415/



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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
AmazingMech2418
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Revert to the Old Muting System

Steve0Greatness wrote:

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

Ihatr wrote:

I don't think the old muting system should be removed, but it needs to be drastically changed. For one, each day you should have three “passes” where you don't get muted even if a bad word is there. You can then actually look at what's wrong. If it gets continuously posted, then it can initiate the current system.
Well, what if someone has a comment that the filter accidentally thinks is bad, but really is fine and they are just trying to figure out what the filter doesn't like about it? In my opinion, muting should be manually done based on information reported to the ST about what a person was trying to say.
This kinda reminds me of the fact that you can't mention browser extensions on the site, but they don't mention anything about them anywhere in the CGs.

But, mentions to unmoded sites are technically still against the CGs:

CGs wrote:

Keep personal info private.
For safety reasons, don't give out any information that could be used for private communication - such as real last names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, links to social media sites or websites with unmoderated chat.
I'd like to draw your attention to that part.
Yeah, I can see that, but the ST should at least say that. They said about the extensions since they can contain malware. Saying the name of a website which is also a normal word is not going to give malware and can't provide a method of unmoderated chat. Only saying your username or “tag” or providing a direct link to a server can do that with this specific website we are referring to.

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

Please see these projects:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540656683/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540565906/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540533415/



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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
Raihan142857
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AmazingMech2418 wrote:

-snip-.
I've literally only been using scratch for a couple of days with this system and got muted 6 times. And only once was the mute justified.

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AmazingMech2418
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Raihan142857 wrote:

AmazingMech2418 wrote:

-snip-.
I've literally only been using scratch for a couple of days with this system and got muted 6 times. And only once was the mute justified.
Exactly! That's how much worse the new system is. LOL!

I had stuff here, but I have to change it in light of recent events.

Please see these projects:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540656683/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540565906/
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540533415/



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Last edited by Neil Armstrong (July 20, 1969 20:17:00)
DipLeChip
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the new mute system is trash and a failure no one likes it

stop fuming and start loving :p
-SnoQueen-
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sdfsdl woah :00 xD honestly, maybe like instead of making it a day like idk,, an hour? 30 minutes? xDD idk ok


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I support.
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It shouldn't be reverted, but the bad word detector has soo many false positives that one shouldn't be muted every time they say a bad word.

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Chasms wrote:

I support.
Please be constructive and explain why.

I remember sending some of my friends a screenshot of the initial announcement for the new filtering system with a caption like “I have a gut feeling that people will quickly grow to hate this update and I don't know why.” I think my gut needs a promotion lol

lm1996
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I was RPing and accidentally said Ashscreen leapt and it didn't mute me, however, I support it anyways if we add this:

Ihatr wrote:

I don't think the old muting system should be removed, but it needs to be drastically changed. For one, each day you should have three “passes” where you don't get muted even if a bad word is there. You can then actually look at what's wrong. If it gets continuously posted, then it can initiate the current system.

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Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person who has never been muted.


Support, since apparently the new muting system is really sensitive now.

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I can't find the quote, but I know Harakou made a post saying that the muting systems has not changed.

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I don't believe it should be reverted but not every * single time it mutes you for saying something incorrectly.

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