I saw the project by @kriblo (sorry if its wrong) with the resharing stuff, it happens too much. This also what causing the whole #SFFF (stop fighting for fame) jazz….

-moonchild wrote:

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

-moonchild wrote:

RokCoder wrote:

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I believe one of the contributing factors to this would be that you might have too many followers? I saw a few people that have a large amount of followers say they won't be getting on trending anymore since they have that large amount of followers. I'm not sure if that was what you were speaking about.

I don't know if that's why, there's plenty of famous people on trending right now

That's odd then, maybe there's a specific amount of times people can be on trending?

There's also people (that I won't name) that have had atleast 3 or 4 of their projects on trending- once somebody had 3 of their own projects trending at the same time.

Trending keeps getting more confusing to me the more I look at it O.o

edit: accidental double quote

Well, I've been teetering on this subject, but if kriblo colinmacc and rokcoder all believe in this then I'm inclined to blindly follow believe it too..

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I agree, Scratch is a place where everyone is equal. Fixing the trending glitch will not only reduce drama, but make the name “Trending” more meaningful.

RokCoder wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

Yeah, I have no idea how Trending works. You've seen my recent game, “Topological Space,” correct? That was Top Loved and Top Remixed (it kinda jumped back and forth between the two sections) — but throughout that time, it was nowhere to be found on Trending. I could only suspect that the Trending algorithm was changed recently (I don't know that for sure). If so, did it change for better or for worse? I suppose that would be up for debate.

At this point I have the mindset of “As wonderful as Trending can be sometimes, we should just not worry about it.” There has been quite a lot of drama and disrespect that was caused by certain projects getting on Trending and certain projects not getting on Trending… at least for my sake, it's best to stay away from it.

There's another Uno game released at the same time with far less views and loves (no disrespect intended as it's a very nice game) at the top of the #games trending. Mine hasn't touched trending, loved or remixed. If the algorithms are bugged then it's not fair on the people it affects. If it's biased away from people with lots of followers (for example) then I can understand that. It would be really nice to see how this all works though.

colinmacc wrote:

It’s interesting because if you search for “Topological Space”, your project is 7th on the “popular” list behind a load of remixes.

If you search for “za-chary”, the topological space project doesn’t appear at all.

So maybe it’s not just trending that’s broken, it’s search too.

Or, as za-chary's project didn't touch the trending pages either, maybe it's all linked together. I've no idea where to post bug tickets for “trending algorithm showing selective hate”

Rok, I went down, down, down on trending and eventually I did a ctrl + f and found “They dance” and “Uno”. Here is where https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/458989048/. By the way this project is mine on a different account so don't get confused

IAmSpeed123 wrote:

Rok, I went down, down, down on trending and eventually I did a ctrl + f and found “They dance” and “Uno”. Here is where https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/458989048/. By the way this project is mine on a different account so don't get confused

I wrote about Uno in my initial post. It didn't touch the trending pages at all despite 100's of loves each day until it was re-shared (for valid bug-fixing reasons). Uno Stack is in a similar position - getting around 100 loves a day but nowhere to be found in the trending. This isn't about my projects though. I'm just using them as examples. I've seen no end of great projects by other Scratchers that are accumulating lots of views, loves and favourites very quickly but aren't trending at all and yet there are a lot of projects at the other end of the view/love/fav spectrum that are on the first few pages. It just feels… broken.

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

What i hate is that all of the people thinking that scratch is like…..instagram or something and they are ALWAYS begging for like “f4F????” or “fOllow Me pLeaSe” i get those all the time so i just delete them…its annoying. BUT i get it, some people just want a little more followers for “motavation” or something (and im not being tryna rude to anyone). Its a little annoying how so many scratchers are leaving the website just cuz they are not popular. Its just annoying….

Chiroyce wrote:

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

Meanwhile Gravity Dash (which was reshared atleast 5 times) has been trending under #games for over a month now

It's interesting because the trending tab must have to take some precautions to ensure that only projects that are actually “trending” show up. I'm sure if it was purely based on something like views per day, then projects like paper minecraft would consistently stay at the top, despite that they aren't actually “trending” they're just insanely popular all the time.
I remember back in the early early days of 2.0 when the search bar was very primitive and pretty much only returned results based on what matched with titles or the mere 3 tags you were allowed to put in your project's description. I can't remember what exactly the explore tab showed, but I remember there was nowhere near as much emphasis put on a project ending up on the explore tab as there is now. My guess is that it probably did only show things based on views in a given amount of time, so popular projects like paper minecraft would always show up no matter what.

The issue I have with the explore tab now is that because it doesn't have as much human influence, unlike the scratch team selecting a project to be featured, or a community curator on the front page, it makes a feedback loop that discourages creativity. Anyone can tell you that they see the same type of projects over and over again. I don't think this is necessarily because the trending algorithm is partial to these kinds of projects, but more, people see, (say, a simple platformer where the player controls a black cube with a single eye), and think that “because it's on trending, and has a lot of views, it must be what people like, so i'll make something similar to that.” Then that thought process gets reinforced because the new project ends up on trending and the cycle continues.
Whereas, if we're talking about the featured section or the community curated section, this isn't the case. A real user is obviously not gonna choose 5 different platformers with cyclops cubes to be curated, but instead take the option of showcasing variety (promoting diversity of ideas, and ultimately, more creativity).

I agree that the trending algorithm is confusing, and it would help if the developers could share some light on how it works. I totally understand if they don't want to explain in detail to avoid people exploiting the algorithm, but an explanation of what “trending” is supposed to mean in this case would be very helpful since there is so much confusion and guessing.

Personally, I very rarely look at the trending list, but when I have, I have observed the things reported by others here - that it seems like remixes by relatively unknown Scratchers take precedence over the original projects. Also, some projects appear at several places in the list - I very much doubt that this is intentional.

But I don't want to sound negative, so I'll finish up by saying that Scratch is fantastic, and the developers have done a great job!

squig3 wrote:

It's interesting because the trending tab must have to take some precautions to ensure that only projects that are actually “trending” show up. I'm sure if it was purely based on something like views per day, then projects like paper minecraft would consistently stay at the top, despite that they aren't actually “trending” they're just insanely popular all the time.
I remember back in the early early days of 2.0 when the search bar was very primitive and pretty much only returned results based on what matched with titles or the mere 3 tags you were allowed to put in your project's description. I can't remember what exactly the explore tab showed, but I remember there was nowhere near as much emphasis put on a project ending up on the explore tab as there is now. My guess is that it probably did only show things based on views in a given amount of time, so popular projects like paper minecraft would always show up no matter what.

The issue I have with the explore tab now is that because it doesn't have as much human influence, unlike the scratch team selecting a project to be featured, or a community curator on the front page, it makes a feedback loop that discourages creativity. Anyone can tell you that they see the same type of projects over and over again. I don't think this is necessarily because the trending algorithm is partial to these kinds of projects, but more, people see, (say, a simple platformer where the player controls a black cube with a single eye), and think that “because it's on trending, and has a lot of views, it must be what people like, so i'll make something similar to that.” Then that thought process gets reinforced because the new project ends up on trending and the cycle continues.
Whereas, if we're talking about the featured section or the community curated section, this isn't the case. A real user is obviously not gonna choose 5 different platformers with cyclops cubes to be curated, but instead take the option of showcasing variety (promoting diversity of ideas, and ultimately, more creativity).

Yes clearly to stop the same projects dominating, the original share date needs to be taken into account, and then only projects shared within the last 2 weeks (say) should qualify for trending. In fact I think this is how long projects are allowed to be in the front page sections too.

Oh, it seems like @kriblo’s project protesting against the unfair rules of ‘trending’ has now been unshared. Not sure if the ST did it or he himself did so.

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

Meanwhile Gravity Dash (which was reshared atleast 5 times) has been trending under #games for over a month now

wow

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

Meanwhile Gravity Dash (which was reshared atleast 5 times) has been trending under #games for over a month now

hashtags are also broken. It looks like they only really work properly if they are in the project title now, and that never used to be the case.

colinmacc wrote:

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

Meanwhile Gravity Dash (which was reshared atleast 5 times) has been trending under #games for over a month now

hashtags are also broken. It looks like they only really work properly if they are in the project title now, and that never used to be the case.

Actually hashtags still work if they're put in the Instructions or Notes and Credits (as they get put in the corresponding section of the Explore tab)
In fact, they don't even need to be hashtags. Literally putting the word “tutorial” anywhere will put the project under #tutorial.

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

colinmacc wrote:

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

Josephflex wrote:

@MaxyBrian's Tower of scratch failed to go on trending

That project got top-loved within a night's time, but extremely failed to get on trending

Meanwhile Gravity Dash (which was reshared atleast 5 times) has been trending under #games for over a month now

hashtags are also broken. It looks like they only really work properly if they are in the project title now, and that never used to be the case.

Actually hashtags still work if they're put in the Instructions or Notes and Credits (as they get put in the corresponding section of the Explore tab)
In fact, they don't even need to be hashtags. Literally putting the word “tutorial” anywhere will put the project under #tutorial.

Technically yes, but more weighting seems to be given to the text in project titles, so the results are skewed in favour of projects with the word “games” in the title.

colinmacc wrote:

MeIzAwezomeDede wrote:

colinmacc wrote:

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hashtags are also broken. It looks like they only really work properly if they are in the project title now, and that never used to be the case.

Actually hashtags still work if they're put in the Instructions or Notes and Credits (as they get put in the corresponding section of the Explore tab)
In fact, they don't even need to be hashtags. Literally putting the word “tutorial” anywhere will put the project under #tutorial.

Technically yes, but more weighting seems to be given to the text in project titles, so the results are skewed in favour of projects with the word “games” in the title.

Ah, ok. I've noticed that too, easy and unfair way to abuse the system.