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BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.

People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).

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scratch978654

Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).

Absolutely agree.

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fdreerf

Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).

Those people are actively attacking another group of people though.
By that logic, we should allow alt-right in order to make people feel welcome.

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BearSlothCoding

Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).

This really is a double-edged sword for the ST, so that's where the “Be respectful” part of the Community Guidelines comes into play. Being anti-BLM is not respectful to black people and it also isn't welcoming, therefore it breaks the CG's. Being anti-LGBTQ+ is not respectful or welcoming to LGBTQ+ either, so it breaks the CG's.

scratch978654 wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).
Absolutely agree.

Why? You want to welcome people who are racist, and treat people bad because of their race? Let them tell people that they don't matter because of what they were born with?

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scratch978654

BearSlothCoding wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).
This really is a double-edged sword for the ST, so that's where the “Be respectful” part of the Community Guidelines comes into play. Being anti-BLM is not respectful to black people and it also isn't welcoming, therefore it breaks the CG's. Being anti-LGBTQ+ is not respectful or welcoming to LGBTQ+ either, so it breaks the CG's.

scratch978654 wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
People need to feel welcome, and any opinions that aren't that will be removed.
People need to feel welcome. This includes people who don't agree with BLM (or anything else the Scratch Team supports).
Absolutely agree.
Why? You want to welcome people who are racist, and treat people bad because of their race? Let them tell people that they don't matter because of what they were born with?

You don't want to welcome anti-crime people? Because people who don't support criminals are being “disrespectful” to criminals?
And LGBTQ+ is a choice, not something you're born with.

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fdreerf

scratch978654 wrote:
You don't want to welcome anti-crime people? Because people who don't support criminals are being “disrespectful” to criminals?
And LGBTQ+ is a choice, not something you're born with.

1.) Not all black people and BLM supporters are criminals, and
2.) that's just bigotry.

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Maximouse

fdreerf wrote:
Those people are actively attacking another group of people though.

Am I actively attacking anyone if I say “I don't agree with movement X”?

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scratch978654

Also, this extends to the ST clearly showing liberal bias (again my views match with the ST but people who aren't liberal are being sidelined)
EDIT: Ninja'd by Maximouse

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Maximouse

fdreerf wrote:
2.) that's just bigotry.

You are being disrespectful right now. Just like when you said religions are fantasy some time ago. Please don't do this.

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fdreerf

Maximouse wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Those people are actively attacking another group of people though.
Am I actively attacking anyone if I say “I don't agree with movement X”?

If it the movement is something like “end racial discrimination” then yes.

Maximouse wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.) that's just bigotry.
You are being disrespectful right now. Just like when you said religions are fantasy some time ago. Please don't do this.

LGBTQ being a choice and not something you are born with is flat-out wrong. You can choose to become LGBTQ, but in most cases people are born with it.

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Maximouse

fdreerf wrote:
If it the movement is something like “end racial discrimination” then yes.

Not supporting a movement to end racial discrimination doesn't yet mean you support racial discrimination – it just means you don't support that particular movement. And even if you do support racial discrimination, you should be allowed to tell that if worded in a respectful way (i.e. not saying it's “good” but just that it's your opinion).

Anyway, I don't think arguing about politics on a topic saying Scratch should not be about politics is a good idea.

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Maximouse

fdreerf wrote:
LGBTQ being a choice and not something you are born with is flat-out wrong. You can choose to become LGBTQ, but in most cases people are born with it.

This could be discussed a lot but as I said, people who don't agree with LGBTQ exist and you should be respectful to them too. You aren't.

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scratch978654

Maximouse wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
If it the movement is something like “end racial discrimination” then yes.
Not supporting a movement to end racial discrimination doesn't yet mean you support racial discrimination – it just means you don't support that particular movement. And even if you do support racial discrimination, you should be allowed to tell that if worded in a respectful way (i.e. not saying it's “good” but just that it's your opinion).

Anyway, I don't think arguing about politics on a topic saying Scratch should not be about politics is a good idea.

Exactly.
Maybe you don't support the movement because you think all lives should matter, or because you misinterpreted it.
People who don't follow the ST's political views get muted…

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As well as being a coding website, this place is also an online community where people can express their thoughts and feelings.

Maximouse

DadExplainsIt wrote:
As well as being a coding website, this place is also an online community where people can express their thoughts and feelings.

They should be able to, but some can't. See above posts.

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scratchykit5743 wrote:
This is not a political site. This is a coding site with freedom and a social aspect and semi strict community guide lines.

The freedom is questionable though.

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