Changing Variable Colors

-Cherri-

DaSpudLord wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
No support. This would complicate the system. How would it work? Variables were meant for backend stuff. If you want “pretty” variables, go make your own.
See, you would have a choice of fonts, and a choice of colors, and a choice of whether you want a backing to your variable. Then, you code. in your choices, somwhat like this:
So it would say, while you were making your variable there would be a choose your color, and choose your font. Is it really that complicated? NO. Also, I said I DID make one before, but it was LONG AND COMPLICATED. It wouldn't complicate the system if you added it in, it would complicate coding if you didn't. Also, even if it was meant for backend stuff, its not the only thing its used for. There is many possibilities in scratch, but I guess you just can't see it. No offense. -____-
You're right- there are many possibilities in Scratch. One of those possibilities is being able to learn to code stuff for yourself instead of having the ST give you all the answers you need. So… no support. Code it yourself using a text engine or something.

And HOW exactly would BEGINNERS make a text engine? Oh wait, THEY COULDN'T. Unless they got it from someone else…. which WOULDN“T be learning to code. And by the way, I didn't mean really mean ”possiblities", I mean't.. oh whatever it's hard to explain. And well, I HAVE coded it myself before. Kay? I'm just sayin', it was a long process. The ST gives us shortcuts on a lot of things, such as the effects. You could just make the effects by yourself. But would seven year olds get that? NO. SO they added it in. Seven year olds wouldn't get this either. So… think about. -___-
Oh and by effects I mean the pixel, swirl, ghost, brightness, mosiac, effects.

Last edited by -Cherri- (Sept. 3, 2015 01:06:35)

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-Cherri- wrote:
DaSpudLord wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
No support. This would complicate the system. How would it work? Variables were meant for backend stuff. If you want “pretty” variables, go make your own.
See, you would have a choice of fonts, and a choice of colors, and a choice of whether you want a backing to your variable. Then, you code. in your choices, somwhat like this:
So it would say, while you were making your variable there would be a choose your color, and choose your font. Is it really that complicated? NO. Also, I said I DID make one before, but it was LONG AND COMPLICATED. It wouldn't complicate the system if you added it in, it would complicate coding if you didn't. Also, even if it was meant for backend stuff, its not the only thing its used for. There is many possibilities in scratch, but I guess you just can't see it. No offense. -____-
You're right- there are many possibilities in Scratch. One of those possibilities is being able to learn to code stuff for yourself instead of having the ST give you all the answers you need. So… no support. Code it yourself using a text engine or something.
And HOW exactly would BEGINNERS make a text engine? Oh wait, THEY COULDN'T. Unless they got it from someone else…. which WOULDN“T be learning to code. And by the way, I didn't mean really mean ”possiblities", I mean't.. oh whatever it's hard to explain. And well, I HAVE coded it myself before. Kay? I'm just sayin', it was a long process. The ST gives us shortcuts on a lot of things, such as the effects. You could just make the effects by yourself. But would seven year olds get that? NO. SO they added it in. Seven year olds wouldn't get this either. So… think about. -___-
Oh and by effects I mean the pixel, swirl, ghost, brightness, mosiac, effects.

WHAT?
How do you simulate color/ghost/mosaic/etc. without the blocks???
If beginners got code from more experienced users, that is learning. They're learning how the engine work by modifying it.
Also, elaborate on “possibilities”.

-Cherri-

IronBit_Studios wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
DaSpudLord wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
No support. This would complicate the system. How would it work? Variables were meant for backend stuff. If you want “pretty” variables, go make your own.
See, you would have a choice of fonts, and a choice of colors, and a choice of whether you want a backing to your variable. Then, you code. in your choices, somwhat like this:
So it would say, while you were making your variable there would be a choose your color, and choose your font. Is it really that complicated? NO. Also, I said I DID make one before, but it was LONG AND COMPLICATED. It wouldn't complicate the system if you added it in, it would complicate coding if you didn't. Also, even if it was meant for backend stuff, its not the only thing its used for. There is many possibilities in scratch, but I guess you just can't see it. No offense. -____-
You're right- there are many possibilities in Scratch. One of those possibilities is being able to learn to code stuff for yourself instead of having the ST give you all the answers you need. So… no support. Code it yourself using a text engine or something.
And HOW exactly would BEGINNERS make a text engine? Oh wait, THEY COULDN'T. Unless they got it from someone else…. which WOULDN“T be learning to code. And by the way, I didn't mean really mean ”possiblities", I mean't.. oh whatever it's hard to explain. And well, I HAVE coded it myself before. Kay? I'm just sayin', it was a long process. The ST gives us shortcuts on a lot of things, such as the effects. You could just make the effects by yourself. But would seven year olds get that? NO. SO they added it in. Seven year olds wouldn't get this either. So… think about. -___-
Oh and by effects I mean the pixel, swirl, ghost, brightness, mosiac, effects.
WHAT?
How do you simulate color/ghost/mosaic/etc. without the blocks???
If beginners got code from more experienced users, that is learning. They're learning how the engine work by modifying it.
Also, elaborate on “possibilities”.

Or, the seven year olds, are just like MOST seven years olds, they don't look at the script, use it, realize it doesn't work, TRY to understand complicate complicated coding, and wreck the script. Learning? I don't think so. -___- Alsoo you could use the fill bucket to change color, reshape to swirl, pixel art… also with possibilities I meant more like different ways to use things. And I know that's like what possibilities means, and this is what i meant by hard 2 explain.

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DaSpudLord

-Cherri- wrote:
IronBit_Studios wrote:
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Or, the seven year olds, are just like MOST seven years olds, they don't look at the script, use it, realize it doesn't work, TRY to understand complicate complicated coding, and wreck the script. Learning? I don't think so. -___- Alsoo you could use the fill bucket to change color, reshape to swirl, pixel art… also with possibilities I meant more like different ways to use things. And I know that's like what possibilities means, and this is what i meant by hard 2 explain.

Okay, maybe you're right. Maybe the seven year olds haven't reached that point in programming either. But seven year olds also probably haven't reached the point where they're able to program in 3D. Does that mean that we should add a 3D scratch? No, it doesn't. (Don't suggest it; it's already been rejected by the stickies.) What that means is that the seven year olds on Scratch need to cope with their abilities. They learn to create stuff that's within their skill level. Whenever they want to create something outside of their skill level, do you see them running to the ST to make it easier? NOOOOO. They go and LEARN. They try to figure out how to get it to work. If they're having trouble, then they look around for example projects. They study the example projects, then they go and make what they want to make based on what they learned. Learning is the only thing that is ever going to get you anywhere in life. You think learning is unimportant? Try that in the real world. Just skip school and try to get a job. Trust me, Ronald McDonald will welcome you to the employee line with open arms. (That's a joke because working at McDonalds doesn't pay much because it's a job that doesn't require skill. People who work at McDonalds don't usually end up with much money.) And that's assuming you even get a job. If you didn't learn enough in school, then not even McDonalds will hire you. (And that's really saying something.) You will end up poor and on the streets, begging for money. And begging never gets you much. That is exactly what I see here. That is what I see in every person who refuses to try to learn how to create this on their own. I see people begging on the streets for new features all because they're not able to learn. Sure, learning may not be a fun process, but in the end, you end up with new skills that you can put in your future projects. If the seven year old doesn't want to learn, then maybe they don't deserve to create a good project. Is it a perfect system? No. Is it kinda cruel? Maybe. But right now, this is how the world works. So either learn to learn, or keep practicing begging, because you're gonna be doing a lot of that in the future if you continue down this path.

Also, those “workarounds” for the effects blocks don't really work, because you can't change the effect while the project is running.

Last edited by DaSpudLord (Sept. 3, 2015 01:52:48)

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Zro716

hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude

I support the idea, it's just that you should clarify if you want this in blocks or as settings in the editor

Last edited by Zro716 (Sept. 3, 2015 01:55:26)

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DaSpudLord

Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude

*ahem*

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Zro716

DaSpudLord wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
*ahem*

*cough*

As a long time Scratcher, I have found new meaning to the name “Scratch”: for me, it means to “scratch that itch”, to come back again and again to realize new ideas in this toy language, even when I'm capable of creating my projects in real programming languages years later. It's a friend that helped me to pursue programming and get me to enjoy its fruit. I'm certain many others who have walked this path as well have grown fond of its importance in their life.

Blank1234

iamunknown2 wrote:
No support. This would complicate the system. How would it work? Variables were meant for backend stuff. If you want “pretty” variables, go make your own.

^

Last edited by Blank1234 (Sept. 3, 2015 02:39:35)

Prinseskat

Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude

XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.

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banana439monkey

-Cherri- wrote:
See, right now, variables are just ugly(no offense), dull, orange and gray numbers. It would be GREAT if we could change how it looks. And I know there are workarounds, because I have done it before, but the process is long and complicated.. so what do you think? If you have no support, please explain the reason why.

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-Cherri-

Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.

Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-

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Zro716

Prinseskat wrote:
Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.

bu-but muh sliders

As a long time Scratcher, I have found new meaning to the name “Scratch”: for me, it means to “scratch that itch”, to come back again and again to realize new ideas in this toy language, even when I'm capable of creating my projects in real programming languages years later. It's a friend that helped me to pursue programming and get me to enjoy its fruit. I'm certain many others who have walked this path as well have grown fond of its importance in their life.

DaSpudLord

-Cherri- wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.
Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-

The reason variables and lists can be shown is for those who have not yet reached the skill level to code their own text engines. The lack of customizability in the way variables and lists display is supposed to encourage scratchers to create their own text engines when they reach a high enough skill level.

Last edited by DaSpudLord (Sept. 3, 2015 15:09:19)

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IronBit_Studios

-Cherri- wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.
Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-

1) Scratch is meant for anyone, but the common age range is 8-16. So, by your logic, I can't play baseball because most baseball players are American and I'm Canadian? Of course not.
2) Tell me exactly where it says “draw cats” here.

With Scratch, you can program your own interactive stories, games, and animations.

Oh wait, trick question, it doesn't.
2.5) What does drawing have to do with programming? Unless you're making a pen-activated art algorithm ooh that sounds cool, the only correlation I see is that Scratch has a paint editor.
3) If you want nicer variables, as almost everyone above me said, CODE IT YOURSELF.
I don't care if it takes a long time to do or if it's too hard for 7-year olds. You guys are the ones who wanted them in the first place. Besides, not everything is easy. That's life for you.

Last edited by IronBit_Studios (Sept. 3, 2015 15:17:32)

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@-cherri- Why you being mean to 7 year olds -_-

It is actually VERY simple to code a text engine.

No support.

This is like saying we should be able to redesign the scratch editor so that we can move the “broadcast” block to control and make it yellow, etc.

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-Cherri-

IronBit_Studios wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.
Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-
1) Scratch is meant for anyone, but the common age range is 8-16. So, by your logic, I can't play baseball because most baseball players are American and I'm Canadian? Of course not.
2) Tell me exactly where it says “draw cats” here.
With Scratch, you can program your own interactive stories, games, and animations.
Oh wait, trick question, it doesn't.
2.5) What does drawing have to do with programming? Unless you're making a pen-activated art algorithm ooh that sounds cool, the only correlation I see is that Scratch has a paint editor.
3) If you want nicer variables, as almost everyone above me said, CODE IT YOURSELF.
I don't care if it takes a long time to do or if it's too hard for 7-year olds. You guys are the ones who wanted them in the first place. Besides, not everything is easy. That's life for you.

Yeah… that's what I said… scratch ISN'T for art… xD But people use it for that. I think you misread my post. Also… scratch is for beginners. But if the ST doesn't WANT to spruce up projects, that's fine. I just thought it would be a good idea. All of you guys are missing the point of this discussion.
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ev3coolexit987654 wrote:
@-cherri- Why you being mean to 7 year olds -_-

It is actually VERY simple to code a text engine.

No support.

This is like saying we should be able to redesign the scratch editor so that we can move the “broadcast” block to control and make it yellow, etc.

I'm not being mean to seven year olds, its just most don't know how to code something like that. And NO, its not like saying that. Because I didn't say that. Stop putting words into my mouth. It's not the same. You took redesigning something useful, into redesigning the blocks. Speak for yourself.
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DaSpudLord wrote:
-Cherri- wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.
Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-
The reason variables and lists can be shown is for those who have not yet reached the skill level to code their own text engines. The lack of customizability in the way variables and lists display is supposed to encourage scratchers to create their own text engines when they reach a high enough skill level.

Righhttt. Like seven year olds would stay that long on scratch just to reach a certain skill level. This is what I think would happen. The seven year olds would get frustrated that they can't make “pretty games” and leave. Haha, the great scratchy depression. XD And just to let you know, I know that there will be no scratchy depression, it's just fun 2 say. -______-

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WooHooBoy

-Cherri- wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
Zro716 wrote:
hoooooly smokes spudlord it's just about changing the aesthetics of variables, jeez dude
XD

But yeah, I don't really support either. Variables are made for storing data, not displaying it - that's what costumes and pen is for.
Maybe Scratch isn't meant for six year olds, but some people still use it.
Maybe Scratch isn't meang for art, but some use it for that.
So even though MOST people use variables like that, it doesn't mean it's the only way. -___-

Yeah, there is another way! Making a text engine is actually a great thing to learn. An easier start is a number-only text engine, which I used in some of my old games.

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