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M1mikyu
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

I'm not sure how well I phrased the title, but I hope you know what I mean.


I personally didn't know about the music sharing projects rule until I saw some people talking about it on Paddle2See's profile awhile back. I am VERY glad they added this rule, since it'll help stop a lot of copyright claims. However, lots of users don't even know this rule exists. It's not really listed in the Community Guidelines, either. (though the CGs aren't very clear on the site's rules in general, in my opinion. but that's something for another topic)
Heck, a friend of my friend got their account fully DELETED because of these music sharing projects. Not a ban, not a warning, AN ACCOUNT DELETION (it might not be true, but my friend sent me screenshots about it and I really trust this person). This whole thing could have been avoided if the rule was shown more often. The person didn't know those projects were against the rules since they weren't stated in the CGs, which is basically all of the rules Scratch has (not counting the TOS, which few people read.).

So, my suggestion is showing this rule more often (not sure exactly how to phrase this). I'm not sure how well it'd fit into the community guidelines, but perhaps have a separate set of rules that is more detailed, saying more in depth about what is and isn't allowed? Or possibly something else, if you can come up with a better idea feel free to share.


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ChiaJia
Scratcher
39 posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

I've never even heard about this rule. What's it about??

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Za-Chary
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

For those who don't know, you cannot share a project on Scratch if that project contains only copyrighted music and nothing else. You can feel free to put in some art you made, or make a game with the music in the background, but it can't be just the music. However, music which you created is okay to be shared without additional components to it.

OP: I'm not sure how it could fit in with the existing Community Guidelines. I understand your purpose (and surely this would be outlined in the Terms of Use somewhere), but I think it could be made a little more obvious. I guess I'm just not sure how it would fit in.

Of course, as we've discussed before, not many users read the Terms of Use.

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M1mikyu
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

Za-Chary wrote:

For those who don't know, you cannot share a project on Scratch if that project contains only copyrighted music and nothing else. You can feel free to put in some art you made, or make a game with the music in the background, but it can't be just the music. However, music which you created is okay to be shared without additional components to it.

OP: I'm not sure how it could fit in with the existing Community Guidelines. I understand your purpose (and surely this would be outlined in the Terms of Use somewhere), but I think it could be made a little more obvious. I guess I'm just not sure how it would fit in.

Of course, as we've discussed before, not many users read the Terms of Use.
Yeah, in the OP I said I wasn’t quite sure where it’d be put. Maaaaaybe they could have a separate set of rules, not as lengthy as the TOS, but not as ridiculously simple as the CGs.

Or, add another CG that’s something like “respect copyrighted content”?

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bybb
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

Za-Chary wrote:

For those who don't know, you cannot share a project on Scratch if that project contains only copyrighted music and nothing else. You can feel free to put in some art you made, or make a game with the music in the background, but it can't be just the music.
Honestly I can't wait for a record label to just DMCA a bunch of stuff so no one is allowed copyrighted music AT ALL.
It is a clear breach of the DMCA and International Copyright Laws and infringes the rights of the owners of said music and makes licensing said music seem worthless, if nothing will be done about it on Scratch. Scratchers and Scratch itself have no right to be able to upload, store and distribute the majority of the music on this site.

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Luingus221
Scratcher
14 posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

bybb wrote:

Honestly I can't wait for a record label to just DMCA a bunch of stuff so no one is allowed copyrighted music AT ALL.
It is a clear breach of the DMCA and International Copyright Laws and infringes the rights of the owners of said music and makes licensing said music seem worthless, if nothing will be done about it on Scratch. Scratchers and Scratch itself have no right to be able to upload, store and distribute the majority of the music on this site.
TL;DR: Due to Fair Use laws and the Creative Commons license, use of copyrighted material is allowed based on their use, and just uploading music just for it to be shared and downloaded is piracy and can be DMCA'd. Remixes of songs are completely allowed due to them being different than the original copyrighted song.

It depends on how the music is used. Since Scratch projects are under a Creative Commons license, they are NOT subject to most copyright rules. It's kind of like they're in the public domain. Scratch projects are also free and open-source, so there is no monetization involved. If there was, people would certainly need a license. A lot of Scratch projects are made for educational use, and no matter what, using copyrighted material (including music!) for educational use is Fair Use. If it's ONLY the music, and it's meant to be shared and downloaded, then that would effectively be piracy and THEN it would be a breach. If it's made for any other use, like games, art, and animation, that is ALSO allowed because of the Creative Commons license. Remixes of songs, such as an 8-bit rendition of Super Mario 64's theme or a jazzy styled version of the Zelda theme, those are allowed as well, since they aren't the EXACT same as the original song and have been fundamentally changed.
M1mikyu
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Make The "No Music Sharing Projects" Rule Be More Obvious

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