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miniepicness
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

Sometimes cloud data doesn't work. It doesn't seem to work at all for me. Cloud lists are already ruined, why not get rid of the option to make cloud variables so people don't try to use something that doesn't work. I might have just messed up how my project loads the cloud data, but it seems to always work wrong on any of the cloud data that I use.

Edit: it seems to break on projects where many different people have used the cloud data

Last edited by miniepicness (May 7, 2019 23:33:48)

Za-Chary
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

No support.

I agree that cloud variables are buggy sometimes, but there's an easy solution. If you don't want to use cloud data, then don't make any cloud variables.

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miniepicness
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

Za-Chary wrote:

No support.

I agree that cloud variables are buggy sometimes, but there's an easy solution. If you don't want to use cloud data, then don't make any cloud variables.
It's kinda mean to give a new scratcher a broken feature when they expect a functional one.
Za-Chary
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

miniepicness wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

No support.

I agree that cloud variables are buggy sometimes, but there's an easy solution. If you don't want to use cloud data, then don't make any cloud variables.
It's kinda mean to give a new scratcher a broken feature when they expect a functional one.
Cloud data isn't broken for everyone, though. I'm not really sure what causes it, but there are some problems, and surely the Scratch Team would be working on it.

I imagine there would be a HUGE uproar if the Scratch Team completely removed cloud variables. As a result, removing them completely definitely would not be a good idea, at least not for the community.

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colinmacc
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

Nothing wrong with cloud variables if you understand the limitations and do it right. I have written two very successful cloud multiplayer games and hope to do more.

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codeman1044
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

No support.
Yes, cloud variables are buggy, but consider this: The Scratch Team is running large amounts of scratch servers, all of which cost money to run. For this reason (I assume), the servers are slower to update, as it costs less. Cloud variables only update around 4-5 times a second, which is actually pretty fast for a website like this.
Cloud variables are only allowed numbers, the minus symbol, and the decimal symbol for a reason, which is to try to prevent free chats (it can happen, it just takes a lot of time, more than worth spending).
I bet you can find some very good multiplayer games or games that use cloud variables if you do a quick search.
As for cloud lists, they were removed for the same reason as why cloud variables are limited to certain characters: to prevent chats. There are ways to emulate cloud lists, and I'm sure that you could find many tutorials on how to do so.

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CalculatorFun
Scratcher
92 posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

codeman1044 wrote:

No support.
Yes, cloud variables are buggy, but consider this: The Scratch Team is running large amounts of scratch servers, all of which cost money to run. For this reason (I assume), the servers are slower to update, as it costs less. Cloud variables only update around 4-5 times a second, which is actually pretty fast for a website like this.
Cloud variables are only allowed numbers, the minus symbol, and the decimal symbol for a reason, which is to try to prevent free chats (it can happen, it just takes a lot of time, more than worth spending).
I bet you can find some very good multiplayer games or games that use cloud variables if you do a quick search.
As for cloud lists, they were removed for the same reason as why cloud variables are limited to certain characters: to prevent chats. There are ways to emulate cloud lists, and I'm sure that you could find many tutorials on how to do so.
Wait they allow hyphens and periods now??

codeman1044
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.

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CalculatorFun
Scratcher
92 posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

codeman1044 wrote:

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.
Can you lead me to a project that has this in cloud data history?

miniepicness
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

codeman1044 wrote:

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.
I thought they only allowed one period and one hyphen. Not very helpful, is it.
StrangeMagic32
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

CalculatorFun wrote:

codeman1044 wrote:

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.
Can you lead me to a project that has this in cloud data history?
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/306923923/

miniepicness wrote:

codeman1044 wrote:

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.
I thought they only allowed one period and one hyphen. Not very helpful, is it.
well it's better than nothing, isn't it?

Last edited by StrangeMagic32 (May 5, 2019 22:31:39)


That moment when…
1. you accidentally go from one forum to another...   2. you try to help, but get beaten to it...   3. you read a post in all caps...   4. you post on the forums and your post isn't very constructive...   5. you end up not helping...   6. you post something before you're finished... 7. you post and it turns out to be a necropost...   8. you finish writing your post, but by the time you post it, someone else has practically said the same thing...   9: you share a CCE or DTAE before it's done...   10: you share a game before it's done...   11: you accidentally unshare a project you shared just moments before...   12. you accidentally report your own comment...   13. you accidentally reset your cloud highscore... 14. you accidentally delete your own project that you just finished...   15. your topic has existed for 4 years and it turns out to be a duplicate...   16. you finished making your project but there is no wifi to save it...   17. you sign in after a year, but you forgot your password, so you go to recover, but you own a trillion emails...   18.you necropost then 5 weeks later someone replies to your necropost, telling you not to necropost...   19. you click a topic with the intent to reply on it but it gets closed right when you click on it so you're unable to reply...   20. someone says your topic is a duplicate and the last post on that duplicate was posted 6 years ago...   21. you come up with a great suggestion to improve Scratch then it turns out to be a duplicate...   22. you worked super hard on a remix but it dosen't save...   23. you accidentally close your best topic...   24. you get lots of notifications, but they just turn out to be studio messages...   25. you comment on a user's profile but it turned out to be the wrong user...
(do you have any good ones? message me on my profile)
miniepicness
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

StrangeMagic32 wrote:

miniepicness wrote:

codeman1044 wrote:

Yes. If you use cloud variables to track player positions, you can tell.
I thought they only allowed one period and one hyphen. Not very helpful, is it.
well it's better than nothing, isn't it?
It's basically nothing though

Last edited by miniepicness (May 5, 2019 22:44:30)

StrangeMagic32
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

No support, cloud variables allow for a lot of innovation.

That moment when…
1. you accidentally go from one forum to another...   2. you try to help, but get beaten to it...   3. you read a post in all caps...   4. you post on the forums and your post isn't very constructive...   5. you end up not helping...   6. you post something before you're finished... 7. you post and it turns out to be a necropost...   8. you finish writing your post, but by the time you post it, someone else has practically said the same thing...   9: you share a CCE or DTAE before it's done...   10: you share a game before it's done...   11: you accidentally unshare a project you shared just moments before...   12. you accidentally report your own comment...   13. you accidentally reset your cloud highscore... 14. you accidentally delete your own project that you just finished...   15. your topic has existed for 4 years and it turns out to be a duplicate...   16. you finished making your project but there is no wifi to save it...   17. you sign in after a year, but you forgot your password, so you go to recover, but you own a trillion emails...   18.you necropost then 5 weeks later someone replies to your necropost, telling you not to necropost...   19. you click a topic with the intent to reply on it but it gets closed right when you click on it so you're unable to reply...   20. someone says your topic is a duplicate and the last post on that duplicate was posted 6 years ago...   21. you come up with a great suggestion to improve Scratch then it turns out to be a duplicate...   22. you worked super hard on a remix but it dosen't save...   23. you accidentally close your best topic...   24. you get lots of notifications, but they just turn out to be studio messages...   25. you comment on a user's profile but it turned out to be the wrong user...
(do you have any good ones? message me on my profile)
codeman1044
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

Honestly, I'm surprised you want to get rid of this. I can tell you've been around for at least some time, judging by your 1000+ posts. Have you ever fully tried to use cloud variables? I know that they seem broken for you, but from my experience, if something seems broken, it's way more often the coder's fault than the computer.
As for 1 hyphen/period, that's all I need to make my games work. If it isn't enough for yours, then check this out. It's an encryptor I made a month ago that's fully cloud compatible.
Cloud variables are limited to only I think 2560 characters, but that's also to discourage free chats. I really don't care about that, just thought you should know.

Last edited by codeman1044 (May 5, 2019 23:08:38)


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CalculatorFun
Scratcher
92 posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

codeman1044 wrote:

Honestly, I'm surprised you want to get rid of this. I can tell you've been around for at least some time, judging by your 1000+ posts. Have you ever fully tried to use cloud variables? I know that they seem broken for you, but from my experience, if something seems broken, it's way more often the coder's fault than the computer.
As for 1 hyphen/period, that's all I need to make my games work. If it isn't enough for yours, then check this out. It's an encryptor I made a month ago that's fully cloud compatible.
Cloud variables are limited to only I think 2560 characters, but that's also to discourage free chats. I really don't care about that, just thought you should know.
I could think of so many things to do with just 2560 characters, ty!

codeman1044
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

CalculatorFun wrote:

I could think of so many things to do with just 2560 characters, ty!
Well, be careful. The encryption I used doesn't make it easy to use those characters with ease. Longer encryptions could get annoying.

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CalculatorFun
Scratcher
92 posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

codeman1044 wrote:

CalculatorFun wrote:

I could think of so many things to do with just 2560 characters, ty!
Well, be careful. The encryption I used doesn't make it easy to use those characters with ease. Longer encryptions could get annoying.
I know, it's more fit for a highscore system rather than a real-time online multiplayer game

no support, cloud variables still have viable use

Kraken_Games
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100+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

miniepicness wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

No support.

I agree that cloud variables are buggy sometimes, but there's an easy solution. If you don't want to use cloud data, then don't make any cloud variables.
It's kinda mean to give a new scratcher a broken feature when they expect a functional one.

But . . . new scratchers . . . can't use cloud variables . . .

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codeman1044
Scratcher
500+ posts

Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

I think they mean a new scratcher as in just recently gaining the scratcher status.

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I'm kind of… (for lack of a better word) addicted… to helping on the forums… should I be concerned?
Somehow, I missed my 500th post and can't remember when it happened… lol.
If you see (DATA MISCODED) then I just removed something. If I'm feeling silly, then you might see (OWO). Or both. That might happen too. (DATA MISCODED OWO)
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meoecat
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Get rid of the make cloud variable checkbox.

never mind

Last edited by meoecat (May 7, 2019 16:59:14)


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