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mrinne
Scratcher
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Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

Let me start with background info: I teach CS in a district where we aren't allowed to make kids online accounts so working offline is essential until Google sign in is someday integrated… Therefore we use the desktop 3.0 version and save files locally. We use MacBook Air devices.

When you make a new project in Scratch desktop 3.0 you can save it to wherever and name it etc. Then when you begin coding/editing whatever you go to File and “Save to your computer” and it prompts you to make a new file. The only way to save changes to the file you already started is to save again with exactly the same name as before and then choose “replace” when it asks if you're sure you want to replace that file. OR you have to navigate to the folder where the original was saved and click on the original file. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find software that saves progress in this way. It makes the use of the program less efficient and therefore less likely that folks are going to use it.

Or you could have students create a new save file, but when they go to reopen it later it's going to be confusing if they don't know which file is the most recent.

Also when opening an .sb3 file if you just go to its location and double click it wants to know what software to use. And if you try to tell it to use Scratch Desktop1.2.0 it won't work. You can't actually select the application. You can't even do it with a right click > Open with > and click the “always use” box because you STILL can't select the app.

You CAN open Scratch desktop then Load the file from your computer, however. Not a bad skill to learn, but not ideal.

Thanks for all your work and help with some of these workflow suggestions.
SimpleScratch
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500+ posts

Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

Hi, I've run two lesson so far using Scratch 3 - I use Windows 10

mrinne wrote:

The only way to save changes to the file you already started is to save again with exactly the same name as before and then choose “replace” when it asks if you're sure you want to replace that file. OR you have to navigate to the folder where the original was saved and click on the original file. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find software that saves progress in this way. It makes the use of the program less efficient and therefore less likely that folks are going to use it.

Its the same on Windows

I think it all stems from not having a project name box visible and active when not logged in.

If using online and signed in, if you goto save a project named testProject, it will suggest testProject(x).sb3.

This isn't “standard” file save behaviour but actually its quite useful as students get to automatically create a history of their work - so a bug becomes a feature

But if using online Scratch and not signed in, it just tries to save a project called Scratch Project(x).sb3 which I think is worse than Scratch Desktop behaviour of leaving the filename blank

I'm not sure if we'll be able to get standard local file saving behaviour but things would be a lot better if the project name box was visible and active

At least then we'd might get the same save capability as online, not signed in, behaviour

I think some of other behaviour could just be fundamental restrictions on saving to local file systems using an HTML5 application and outside of Scratch teams control.

JFI Scratch 2 offline behaves the same way so this is nothing new (I've always used Scratch 1.4 for class use so until last week, I'd not had the problem before either)

Also when opening an .sb3 file if you just go to its location and double click it wants to know what software to use. And if you try to tell it to use Scratch Desktop1.2.0 it won't work. You can't actually select the application. You can't even do it with a right click > Open with > and click the “always use” box because you STILL can't select the app.

I have the same issue and I actually have the same issue with Scratch 1.4 .sb files on our computers. I thought it was just a mis-configuration of our windows domain computers (which were recently installed) but I'm wondering now if it's peculiar to Scratch - I'll investigate it further

You CAN open Scratch desktop then Load the file from your computer, however. Not a bad skill to learn, but not ideal.
That's what I teach the pupils to use every since it started happening with .sb files - be nice to have the standard way of them both working
FrostFire360
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28 posts

Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

I lost hours of progress from this. ST please fix.

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D-ScratchNinja
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100+ posts

Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

Currently what's in Scratch Desktop is more like a “save as”. I haven't had problems because of this, but I see how this could make it confusing. When I want to save a project, I usually replace the file by double-clicking it in the save popup, which automatically fills the name in for me and replaces it.

SimpleScratch wrote:
This isn't “standard” file save behaviour but actually its quite useful as students get to automatically create a history of their work - so a bug becomes a feature
If you want to keep your previous versions of your projects, you can put (1), (2), (3), etc. at the end of your project name as you keep saving them, like what the online editor automatically does.

I made a project that includes answers to some questions about Scratch 3:
Scratch 3 coding FAQ

Instead of writing “Support”, add to the suggestion and make it better. (Click to view reference)

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Diamond_Projects
Scratcher
100+ posts

Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

This might be a necropost, but this issue needs to be addressed.

The 3.0 offline editor is very flawed and half-baked compared to the previous ones.
TheBurger82
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Saving in Scratch 3.0 desktop

Thank you!

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