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coderoni
Scratcher
15 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

As far as I have seen, the main complaints I have seen about scratch 3.0 are as follows:
  • The stage is on the right grrrrr!
    The blocks are too big grrrr!
    The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
    The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
    I don't like the looks!
    Its lagging.

The scratch team has already said they may add a button to switch stage sides, so that is fixed.
As for the blocks being to big, I agree; scratch team has said they need to be bigger for mobile, which I understand, but they should probably shrink them when it detects that its not on a mobile device.
The next three are completely arbitrary, contradictory, and childish. We get it, you don't like revamped graphics, too bad.

As for the lag, I haven't seen much, except for ONE PART that I guess isn't technically lag, but maybe mistaken for it. The problem: scratch 3.0 autosaves too much. When it autosaves, the entire screen freezes until the autosave finishes, and there is no big indicator that fills the screen like in 2.0. So, I suggest re-adding an indicator and having it autosave less often. That would completely fix all the “lag” (that at least I'm experiencing).

Thanks!

Ps. also update the in-text blocks for the forums to 3.0, please.

Last edited by coderoni (Jan. 3, 2019 16:20:32)

SwoopyDoopy1
Scratcher
100+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

I'm fine with the stage being on the right again, but the main problem I have is that they made some useless features (like being able to scroll up and down when editting a function, absolute madness), they made it load projects more slowly (or is that just because of the pressure on the servers?) and they made it clunky to use. When scrolling through the blocks, they have larger padding and larger distances between them. For small projects like the ‘spinning cat’ advert on the Scratch Twitter page, this is fine, but when you have to find one function out of 20 in a Chess simulator, it's really difficult and time-consuming. And then, once you do, you have to find the function's location yourself, since defining it no longer works. Also, some projects have all of the blocks shifted over, and it's all completely crazy and backwards and difficult and while they may improve it later, for now, I'm just going to use Scratch mostly offline, on the 2.0 editor. Although HTML5 is better than Flash and I don't want to be a luddite, I also don't want to use this crazily backwards system that loads more slowly.

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coderoni
Scratcher
15 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

SwoopyDoopy1 wrote:

When scrolling through the blocks, they have larger padding and larger distances between them. For small projects like the ‘spinning cat’ advert on the Scratch Twitter page, this is fine, but when you have to find one function out of 20 in a Chess simulator, it's really difficult and time-consuming.

The scratch team has said that this is for mobile users. In fact, it appears that a lot of the clunkiness has been “for mobile users”; I'm fairly sure that many of the problems could be avoided by setting up a system where the blocks are smaller, less padding, etc. for non-mobile users. As for things like defining functions no longer working, I'm sure that that is just a bug/error and will be fixed. I hope?
Midrule_Triforce
Scratcher
37 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

If they just changed 2.0 out of flash, that would literally make scratch a lot better. 3.0… is a major downgrade for tons and tons of reasons…
Midrule_Triforce
Scratcher
37 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

coderoni wrote:

As far as I have seen, the main complaints I have seen about scratch 3.0 are as follows:
  • The stage is on the right grrrrr!
    The blocks are too big grrrr!
    The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
    The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
    I don't like the looks!
    Its lagging.

The scratch team has already said they may add a button to switch stage sides, so that is fixed.
As for the blocks being to big, I agree; scratch team has said they need to be bigger for mobile, which I understand, but they should probably shrink them when it detects that its not on a mobile device.
The next three are completely arbitrary, contradictory, and childish. We get it, you don't like revamped graphics, too bad.

As for the lag, I haven't seen much, except for ONE PART that I guess isn't technically lag, but maybe mistaken for it. The problem: scratch 3.0 autosaves too much. When it autosaves, the entire screen freezes until the autosave finishes, and there is no big indicator that fills the screen like in 2.0. So, I suggest re-adding an indicator and having it autosave less often. That would completely fix all the “lag” (that at least I'm experiencing).

Thanks!

Ps. also update the in-text blocks for the forums to 3.0, please.
also none of the blocks will load, so it's literally impossible to update any of my games
TheOnlyOriginal
Scratcher
1 post

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

the 3.0 editor is literally built for toddlers on ipads. I would like to see a setting for desktop and laptop users that makes the GUI smaller and the option to have the project player on the left would also be nice. Probably would never happen though. That's how Scratch works!
14152cool
Scratcher
100+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

TheOnlyOriginal wrote:

Probably would never happen though. That's how Scratch works!
actually, you'd be surprised how often our requests are added.

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badatprogrammingibe
Scratcher
500+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

14152cool wrote:

TheOnlyOriginal wrote:

Probably would never happen though. That's how Scratch works!
actually, you'd be surprised how often our requests are added.
Almost never?
sssderp
Scratcher
2 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

infinitytec
Scratcher
1000+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

Midrule_Triforce wrote:

If they just changed 2.0 out of flash, that would literally make scratch a lot better. 3.0… is a major downgrade for tons and tons of reasons…
Not really possible… unless you rebuild the entire thing which would make it probably turn out like 3.0.


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noogai34
Scratcher
44 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
Haha, you counteracted and balanced your own complaint!
I don't like the looks!
Really? I don't know any sane human being who hates the 3.0 looks.
The blocks are too big grrrr!
Mobile support.
The stage is on the right grrrrr!
What's so bad about the stage being on the right again? I liked it that way.

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NilsTheBest
Scratcher
1000+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

noogai34 wrote:

The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
Haha, you counteracted and balanced your own complaint!
I don't like the looks!
Really? I don't know any sane human being who hates the 3.0 looks.
The blocks are too big grrrr!
Mobile support.
The stage is on the right grrrrr!
What's so bad about the stage being on the right again? I liked it that way.
You didn't understand what @noogai34 was saying. Read what's above: “As far as I have seen, the main complaints I have seen about scratch 3.0 are as follows:”

Truck11111
Scratcher
500+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

noogai34 wrote:

The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
Haha, you counteracted and balanced your own complaint!
I don't like the looks!
Really? I don't know any sane human being who hates the 3.0 looks.
The blocks are too big grrrr!
Mobile support.
The stage is on the right grrrrr!
What's so bad about the stage being on the right again? I liked it that way.
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Last edited by Truck11111 (June 23, 2019 21:50:17)


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CheckmarkDestruction
Scratcher
4 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

coderoni wrote:

As far as I have seen, the main complaints I have seen about scratch 3.0 are as follows:
  • The stage is on the right grrrrr!
    The blocks are too big grrrr!
    The blocks look too professional and hard to use!
    The blocks look too unprofessional and for kids!
    I don't like the looks!
    Its lagging.

The scratch team has already said they may add a button to switch stage sides, so that is fixed.
As for the blocks being to big, I agree; scratch team has said they need to be bigger for mobile, which I understand, but they should probably shrink them when it detects that its not on a mobile device.
The next three are completely arbitrary, contradictory, and childish. We get it, you don't like revamped graphics, too bad.

As for the lag, I haven't seen much, except for ONE PART that I guess isn't technically lag, but maybe mistaken for it. The problem: scratch 3.0 autosaves too much. When it autosaves, the entire screen freezes until the autosave finishes, and there is no big indicator that fills the screen like in 2.0. So, I suggest re-adding an indicator and having it autosave less often. That would completely fix all the “lag” (that at least I'm experiencing).

Thanks!

Ps. also update the in-text blocks for the forums to 3.0, please.

You forgot about the paint editor!
Smart3012
New to Scratch
12 posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

badatprogrammingibe wrote:

14152cool wrote:

TheOnlyOriginal wrote:

Probably would never happen though. That's how Scratch works!
actually, you'd be surprised how often our requests are added.
Almost never?
Okay that's fun
BlueStarPort
Scratcher
100+ posts

3.0 is FINE, almost. (suggestions)

badatprogrammingibe wrote:

14152cool wrote:

TheOnlyOriginal wrote:

Probably would never happen though. That's how Scratch works!
actually, you'd be surprised how often our requests are added.
Almost never?
Seems like that. I only know 1 suggestion that was added, and it was pretty tiny. It was removing a feature (not adding a feature)

Last edited by BlueStarPort (July 2, 2019 04:35:41)


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