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It means that we don’t have many people standing for the same rights because they think it will make them win. LotusLavender, I need more information about how the parties system will be implemented. I think that independent parties that are not set up in any way by the SPA are fine. They are simply a group of people who are bringing forth candidates together, but SPA enforced parties do not make much sense. You say that it will cut down on candidates, but how good is that really? You are forcing people to run for a party right?
Wikipedia:A political party is an organized group of people, often with common views, who come together to contest elections and hold power in the government. The party agrees on some proposed policies and programmes, with a view to promoting the collective good or furthering their supporters' interests.
As far as independent parties go, I am thinking of making one in the future. I want to influence the way that these federations work. I did not win the USS election, so I was unable to get legislation passed that I wanted to get through to help strengthen both the USS and the SPA, but I believe a party can make things more unified. People can have an idea of what the candidates stand for, and what the parties want to pass.
One thing that we really need to fix is the representative system. Who can vote? And how many votes do they get?
I’ll erite the laws out tommorow but basically he group would present itself to us with its full parliament and it would be able to stand. Only registered parties could be elected.
(Apologies for spelling my phone keyboard is going weird)
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It’s very hard to tell some clueless user who fancies their chances (I’m being very blunt about what it sometimes feels like in general - nothing personal at all) to make their goals clearer when they have no experience and don’t know what they’ve signed up for.That is another thing that needs to be discussed. I do think that candidates should have clearer goals for what they are going to do when in office, but are parties really necessary? On what grounds would parties have different opinions?
Hopefully, it would stop the mess that we get in current elections.
Parties are like a way of making the election novice-free because they’ll already have been elected or approved inside the party
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Proposition!I'm against the first one as I don't think that parties are necessary, but I'm for the second one.
Hello! I have a proposition to do with presidents and government. GrahamSH proposed something similar last year and I have thought and edited his thinking for a few months. My idea is President parties.
The parties and like in normal politics: different groups of people with views on how we should run things. Parties could sort themselves in studios to stop all of the political confusion that we get in the thread. They would elect presidents, vps, secretaries and at least 5 court members.
I think that this is a good idea because it will stop the excessive number of candidates (which causes people to give up on ordering all candidates and leaves us with ties) and it will make it more clear about who to vote for as there won’t be two parties for the same thing.
Votes
For: LotusLavender, GrahamSH, FollowCherryBlossom, tara20007
Against: MasterOfTheTiger
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My other idea is to change the government a little.
There would be (in each case) a main judge (running the case), 5 other judges and 5 judges from the president party. Cases would be held in studios.
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For: LotusLavender, GrahamSH, FollowCherryBlossom, tara20007
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So, please reply with your ideas to add, supports and rejects and unless we get a large amount of rejection there will be a vote on this shortly.
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How you can help us: I will vote regarding propositions and elections and will give suggestions and opinions that I believe are helpful to improve the whole of this organization. I believe that this organization has potential to be improved and I will help in improving this association.
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How you can help us: I will vote regarding propositions and elections and will give suggestions and opinions that I believe are helpful to improve the whole of this organization. I believe that this organization has potential to be improved and I will help in improving this association.
Any alt usernames: Not that I will use.
I have (for all laws that apply to me) read all laws and agree to them.
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This is the law section - we’d have to update the section about presidents soon as well if we changed it.
EDIT. Please see original proposition for the updated version
Section 11: Presidential Parties
11.1: Anyone (except a judge) can make a party if they are part of SPA.
11.1.1: Parties need a name and a studio.
11.1.2: They also need a vice-president, secretary and at least 3 judges.
11.1.3: Parties must register and be approved by the owner or their deputy.
11.1.4: All members must be checked by the owner or deputy, including all replacements.
11.2: Copying other parties is not permitted.
11.2.1: All parties must be completely different.
11.2.2: If any inspiration from other parties was taken from other parties, the party president MUST notify the owner/deputy and the court will judge if it is acceptable.
11.2.3: The party which the inspiration was taken from may appeal to the court with a valid reason for why the court’s choice was wrong.
11.2.4: If a party believes that their is copying, they must report it to the court.
11.3: If someone would like to run a party, they can either start it themselves or they can ask the owner/deputy/other to suggest some others who support their idea.
11.4: Users from outside SPA may be part of parties.
11.5: You may only be part of one party at a time.
11.5.1: Judges may not be part of parties due to their neutral responsibilities.
11.6: In elections, only pre-known parties will be added and and they will be the only parties standing.
EDIT. Please see original proposition for the updated version
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Since I am (or will be, I don't know) a judge, I will go through each part and say what I think of it: This is the law section - we’d have to update the section about presidents soon as well if we changed it.
-snip-
Section 11: Presidential Parties
11.1: Anyone (except a judge) can make a party if they are part of SPA.
11.1.1: Parties need a name and a studio.
11.1.2: They also need a vice-president, secretary and at least 3 judges.
11.1.3: Parties must register and be approved by the owner or their deputy.
11.1.4: All members must be checked by the owner or deputy, including all replacements.
11.2: Copying other parties is not permitted. unclear meaning
11.2.1: All parties must be completely different. unclear meaning
11.2.2: If any inspiration from other parties was taken from other parties, the party president MUST notify the owner/deputy and the court will judge if it is acceptable. why are you forcing parties to be different?
11.2.3: The party which the inspiration was taken from may appeal to the court with a valid reason for why the court’s choice was wrong.
11.2.4: If a party believes that their is copying, they must report it to the court.
11.3: If someone would like to run a party, they can either start it themselves or they can ask the owner/deputy/other to suggest some others who support their idea.
11.4: Users from outside SPA may be part of parties.
11.5: You may only be part of one party at a time.
11.5.1: Judges may not be part of parties due to their neutral responsibilities.
11.6: In elections, only pre-known parties will be added and and they will be the only parties standing. Maybe this should be reworded
My thoughts on the “difference” laws:
1. I do not see why this is necessary
2. You do not define “completely different”
3. There are duplicates, if you want to pass this at all, you do not really need 1.2.1
I am simply worried about the future of the SPA. I hope for it to prosper in the future, and this is my input for it.
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Thank you for your helpful advice. I’ll change the law thingy and I guess we’ll have to wait for a vote outcome. Completely different is up to the definition of the courtSince I am (or will be, I don't know) a judge, I will go through each part and say what I think of it: This is the law section - we’d have to update the section about presidents soon as well if we changed it.
-snip-Section 11: Presidential Parties
11.1: Anyone (except a judge) can make a party if they are part of SPA.
11.1.1: Parties need a name and a studio.
11.1.2: They also need a vice-president, secretary and at least 3 judges.
11.1.3: Parties must register and be approved by the owner or their deputy.
11.1.4: All members must be checked by the owner or deputy, including all replacements.
11.2: Copying other parties is not permitted. unclear meaning
11.2.1: All parties must be completely different. unclear meaning
11.2.2: If any inspiration from other parties was taken from other parties, the party president MUST notify the owner/deputy and the court will judge if it is acceptable. why are you forcing parties to be different?
11.2.3: The party which the inspiration was taken from may appeal to the court with a valid reason for why the court’s choice was wrong.
11.2.4: If a party believes that their is copying, they must report it to the court.
11.3: If someone would like to run a party, they can either start it themselves or they can ask the owner/deputy/other to suggest some others who support their idea.
11.4: Users from outside SPA may be part of parties.
11.5: You may only be part of one party at a time.
11.5.1: Judges may not be part of parties due to their neutral responsibilities.
11.6: In elections, only pre-known parties will be added and and they will be the only parties standing. Maybe this should be reworded
My thoughts on the “difference” laws:
1. I do not see why this is necessary
2. You do not define “completely different”
3. There are duplicates, if you want to pass this at all, you do not really need 1.2.1
I am simply worried about the future of the SPA. I hope for it to prosper in the future, and this is my input for it.
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I hereby agree to Section One of LotusLavender's proposition listed here. Reasons are as follows: I would like the system of parties to be implemented, where people with similar beliefs can gather in one party and discuss their decisions and together they grow their party.
I hereby disagree to Section Two of LotusLavender's proposition listed here. Reasons are as follows: I disapprove of the addition of judges from the President's party due to the possibility that they would be biased towards the party they belong to, for the same reason that you (in Section One of this proposition) disallow judges to be part of any party.
I hereby disagree to Section Two of LotusLavender's proposition listed here. Reasons are as follows: I disapprove of the addition of judges from the President's party due to the possibility that they would be biased towards the party they belong to, for the same reason that you (in Section One of this proposition) disallow judges to be part of any party.
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The need for difference is to ensure people with the same beliefs gather in the same party. It simply does not make any sense when a party competes with another party that has the same beliefs as the party. It would not make sense if you, defending the free world, would compete against another person also defending the free world. If they are in complete agreement, why don't they form a party together where everyone with the same beliefs can join?Thank you for your helpful advice. I’ll change the law thingy and I guess we’ll have to wait for a vote outcome. Completely different is up to the definition of the courtSince I am (or will be, I don't know) a judge, I will go through each part and say what I think of it: This is the law section - we’d have to update the section about presidents soon as well if we changed it.
-snip-Section 11: Presidential Parties
11.1: Anyone (except a judge) can make a party if they are part of SPA.
11.1.1: Parties need a name and a studio.
11.1.2: They also need a vice-president, secretary and at least 3 judges.
11.1.3: Parties must register and be approved by the owner or their deputy.
11.1.4: All members must be checked by the owner or deputy, including all replacements.
11.2: Copying other parties is not permitted. unclear meaning
11.2.1: All parties must be completely different. unclear meaning
11.2.2: If any inspiration from other parties was taken from other parties, the party president MUST notify the owner/deputy and the court will judge if it is acceptable. why are you forcing parties to be different?
11.2.3: The party which the inspiration was taken from may appeal to the court with a valid reason for why the court’s choice was wrong.
11.2.4: If a party believes that their is copying, they must report it to the court.
11.3: If someone would like to run a party, they can either start it themselves or they can ask the owner/deputy/other to suggest some others who support their idea.
11.4: Users from outside SPA may be part of parties.
11.5: You may only be part of one party at a time.
11.5.1: Judges may not be part of parties due to their neutral responsibilities.
11.6: In elections, only pre-known parties will be added and and they will be the only parties standing. Maybe this should be reworded
My thoughts on the “difference” laws:
1. I do not see why this is necessary
2. You do not define “completely different”
3. There are duplicates, if you want to pass this at all, you do not really need 1.2.1
I am simply worried about the future of the SPA. I hope for it to prosper in the future, and this is my input for it.
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That’s exactly what my thinking was.The need for difference is to ensure people with the same beliefs gather in the same party. It simply does not make any sense when a party competes with another party that has the same beliefs as the party. It would not make sense if you, defending the free world, would compete against another person also defending the free world. If they are in complete agreement, why don't they form a party together where everyone with the same beliefs can join?Thank you for your helpful advice. I’ll change the law thingy and I guess we’ll have to wait for a vote outcome. Completely different is up to the definition of the courtSince I am (or will be, I don't know) a judge, I will go through each part and say what I think of it: This is the law section - we’d have to update the section about presidents soon as well if we changed it.
-snip-Section 11: Presidential Parties
11.1: Anyone (except a judge) can make a party if they are part of SPA.
11.1.1: Parties need a name and a studio.
11.1.2: They also need a vice-president, secretary and at least 3 judges.
11.1.3: Parties must register and be approved by the owner or their deputy.
11.1.4: All members must be checked by the owner or deputy, including all replacements.
11.2: Copying other parties is not permitted. unclear meaning
11.2.1: All parties must be completely different. unclear meaning
11.2.2: If any inspiration from other parties was taken from other parties, the party president MUST notify the owner/deputy and the court will judge if it is acceptable. why are you forcing parties to be different?
11.2.3: The party which the inspiration was taken from may appeal to the court with a valid reason for why the court’s choice was wrong.
11.2.4: If a party believes that their is copying, they must report it to the court.
11.3: If someone would like to run a party, they can either start it themselves or they can ask the owner/deputy/other to suggest some others who support their idea.
11.4: Users from outside SPA may be part of parties.
11.5: You may only be part of one party at a time.
11.5.1: Judges may not be part of parties due to their neutral responsibilities.
11.6: In elections, only pre-known parties will be added and and they will be the only parties standing. Maybe this should be reworded
My thoughts on the “difference” laws:
1. I do not see why this is necessary
2. You do not define “completely different”
3. There are duplicates, if you want to pass this at all, you do not really need 1.2.1
I am simply worried about the future of the SPA. I hope for it to prosper in the future, and this is my input for it.
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what kind of list?Does Anyone know ow to make that list that @LotusLavender done, im trying to do it with my shop and cant figure it out :(
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I think that MasterOfTheTiger's point is that ‘completely different’ is quite vague and perhaps difficult for the judges to interpret. What if partiy policies shift over time? And for my other question:
Perhaps one party wants to offer more services to member shops while another wants to streamline things.
Perhaps one party wants to introduce tougher rules while another wants to ease them.
Any other ideas?
Perhaps one party wants to introduce harsher entry requirements to the SPA while another wants to lower them. On what grounds would parties have different opinions?
Perhaps one party wants to offer more services to member shops while another wants to streamline things.
Perhaps one party wants to introduce tougher rules while another wants to ease them.
Any other ideas?
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One believes bigger shops have more experience and the other thinks small shops are better in other ways I think that MasterOfTheTiger's point is that ‘completely different’ is quite vague and perhaps difficult for the judges to interpret. What if partiy policies shift over time? And for my other question:Perhaps one party wants to introduce harsher entry requirements to the SPA while another wants to lower them. On what grounds would parties have different opinions?
Perhaps one party wants to offer more services to member shops while another wants to streamline things.
Perhaps one party wants to introduce tougher rules while another wants to ease them.
Any other ideas?
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Hey guys, I'm not really active on the the forums so… I, Neeb132, The owner of Neeb132's Shop Reviews, (which is closing,) hereby officially am leaving the SPA.
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Well, we’ll be sad to see you go Hey guys, I'm not really active on the the forums so… I, Neeb132, The owner of Neeb132's Shop Reviews, (which is closing,) hereby officially am leaving the SPA.
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I would suggest that in some ways parties would balance each other out. As in, independent parties would most likely be ignored unless they were run by a popular Scratcher or were prestigious or notoriously difficult to get into.
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