Increasing the Cloud Variable Limit

Ihatr

CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough

How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?

CoolLionMan

Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough
How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?

sorry, I have literally no idea about javascript and html

Ihatr

CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough
How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?
sorry, I have literally no idea about javascript and html

Then don't make assumptions about things you don't know about.

gosoccerboy5

CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough, no support

This suggestion is trying to find a plausible way around the lag/storage troubles while expanding the abilities you have, did you even read the OP

Ihatr

Greg8128 wrote:
You can implement your own cloud storage engine to split the 2560 digits between different variables however you want. For example, here is mine: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/485326740/ . (I didn't optimize it fully so it is a bit slow)

Really cool, but I don't think cloud project makers would like to implement this every time they need to make more cloud variables.

CoolLionMan

Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough
How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?
sorry, I have literally no idea about javascript and html
Then don't make assumptions about things you don't know about.

it's an educated guess, if a server is managing more data then it would have a harder time doing it which means more lag, that's my logic

Ihatr

CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough
How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?
sorry, I have literally no idea about javascript and html
Then don't make assumptions about things you don't know about.
it's an educated guess, if a server is managing more data then it would have a harder time doing it which means more lag, that's my logic

How can you make an educated guess when you yourself said that you have no experience with Javascript or HTML

TopCode

CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
Ihatr wrote:
CoolLionMan wrote:
and the site is already laggy enough
How the hell would this make the site more laggy? It would contain the same amount of data storage. Do you even have any idea of what makes a webpage laggy?
sorry, I have literally no idea about javascript and html
Then don't make assumptions about things you don't know about.
it's an educated guess, if a server is managing more data then it would have a harder time doing it which means more lag, that's my logic

the only extra data would be the names, which dont change really

bunnyCoder16

super helpful is some project I'm making, so total support

jaaxon

hello
i know im very late to this. but you can actually get more than 10.
make another project with cloud variables, store it in your backpack, then go back to your project, and pull out those cloud variables!
super simple. but i havent tested it, so im not sure.
let me know if this worked!

Last edited by jaaxon (Sept. 29, 2021 15:27:45)

PenguinLover1123

Use cloud list workarounds

medians

No support right now because this would be too expensive to do.

dhuls

jaaxon wrote:
hello
i know im very late to this. but you can actually get more than 10.
make another project with cloud variables, store it in your backpack, then go back to your project, and pull out those cloud variables!
super simple. but i havent tested it, so im not sure.
let me know if this worked!

Incorrect. Backpacking cloud variables turns them into regular variables with a cloud emoji

Ji1mmyB

PenguinLover1123 wrote:
Use cloud list workarounds

Ya but the thing is, is that cloud vars have a character limit also. And the limit is so dang small you can't even have the thought of any player persistence. Because if your game gets really popular, then you can't hold enough data to actually satisfy each player.

dave-alt-4

what about the servers?

DIAVLODUDE

Robby_Blue wrote:
Sometimes I need more than 10 cloud variables, and sometimes I need one cloud variable containing more than 256 numbers, but obviously because there are too many Scratchers, the Scratch servers can not handle so many variables containing so much data, therefore, the Scratch Team made limits at 10 cloud variables per project and 256 numbers per variable.

For example, if you make a cloud vote, everyone can reload the project and vote again, to solve this you would need to make a list of all users who already have voted, but splitting up one variable into 5 variables is really hard.

My Idea is that the amount of numbers per variable depends on the number of cloud variables. For example, if you have 1 variable the limit is 2560 numbers if you have 10 variables the limit is 256 numbers if you have 256 variables the limit is 10 numbers, etc. This would be really useful for some projects.

Would be expensive for Scratch Team. No support

Last edited by DIAVLODUDE (March 11, 2022 03:45:03)

red-14-9-3-15 · red-14-9-3-15 Scratcher 26 posts

THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!

musicROCKS013

I don't really see why this would be necessary. I could see someone getting confused about how the cloud variable limit works. The way it works now is honestly more straightforward, but I do see how this would help more experienced scratchers. I just don't really get why you'd always need the maximum cloud variable capacity in your project. Plus, can scratch even handle 10^2560 or will it just turn into “Infinity”?

jackson49

DIAVLODUDE wrote:
Would be expensive for Scratch Team.

I doubt it. There wouldn't be any more stress on the server, and this would probably be fairly easy to implement.

musicROCKS013 wrote:
Plus, can scratch even handle 10^2560 or will it just turn into “Infinity”?

Good point. For normal variables, numbers higher than 10^309 become infinity. You can get around it using join blocks though since that makes it a string. For example:

(join ([10^ v] of (308)) ([10^ v] of (308)))

So it appears that Scratch can handle strings that long, but not numbers. So this suggestion would (from my understanding) still work despite that problem.

Last edited by jackson49 (July 15, 2022 18:09:59)

IndexErrorException

No support. I know scratch's limits are just plain bad. If a character takes 2 bytes, a 100 TB server could do 195,312,500,000 CLOUD VARIABLES at 256 characters each. MIT has more than enough resources to give us any amount of characters.

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