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Za-Chary

Hello - I would like to request that some of the wording on this article be changed: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Collaboration_Accounts

The article seems to be stating that shared/collaboration accounts are simply “discouraged” by the Scratch Team (which many interpret that they are actually allowed), when in fact such accounts are not allowed, and will be blocked. I have recently seen some confusion from another Scratcher who seemed to think that shared accounts are allowed, but simply “discouraged.”

The only exception is shared accounts made by immediate family members (such as brother/sister or parent/child) — these sorts of shared accounts are allowed. Shared accounts between a teacher and their students are not allowed. Shared accounts between two cousins are not allowed. Shared accounts between two friends who know each other in real life are not allowed. Shared accounts between two Scratchers who don't know each other in real life are not allowed.

I'm not sure if other Scratch Team members handle these sorts of accounts differently, but I know that I just block any shared accounts that I see, not necessarily asking them to convert it to a single-user account. (Often these users already have a single-user account, so they are welcome to use those accounts to use Scratch.)

46009361

Za-Chary wrote:
Hello - I would like to request that some of the wording on this article be changed: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Collaboration_Accounts

The article seems to be stating that shared/collaboration accounts are simply “discouraged” by the Scratch Team (which many interpret that they are actually allowed), when in fact such accounts are not allowed, and will be blocked. I have recently seen some confusion from another Scratcher who seemed to think that shared accounts are allowed, but simply “discouraged.”

The only exception is shared accounts made by immediate family members (such as brother/sister or parent/child) — these sorts of shared accounts are allowed. Shared accounts between a teacher and their students are not allowed. Shared accounts between two cousins are not allowed. Shared accounts between two friends who know each other in real life are not allowed. Shared accounts between two Scratchers who don't know each other in real life are not allowed.

I'm not sure if other Scratch Team members handle these sorts of accounts differently, but I know that I just block any shared accounts that I see, not necessarily asking them to convert it to a single-user account. (Often these users already have a single-user account, so they are welcome to use those accounts to use Scratch.)

The references linking to Paddle2See's posts are literally quoted with the word “discouraged” instead and because of “I'm not sure if other Scratch Team members handle these sorts of accounts differently”:

Paddle2See wrote:
A teacher makes the students use only one account - is that okay?
It is discouraged, because if one student broke the community guidelines, the entire class would lose their account.

Of course, if one student broke the community guidelines, the entire class would lose their account and the teacher may have no idea that they shouldn't create another account to work around the block. The Student and Teacher Accounts system can be used instead. I would definitely agree with the last part, especially since they're not sharing a computer if they don't already know each other IRL:

Za-Chary wrote:
Shared accounts between two Scratchers who don't know each other in real life are not allowed.

Now, I already know that the following below can happen, regardless of who the account is being shared with:

Paddle2See wrote:
A problem with using shared collaboration accounts is that there is no clear record of who did what parts of the project - and there are no backup versions of the project if something gets messed up.

Last edited by 46009361 (March 7, 2021 04:11:44)

jvvg

Za-Chary wrote:
Hello - I would like to request that some of the wording on this article be changed: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Collaboration_Accounts

The article seems to be stating that shared/collaboration accounts are simply “discouraged” by the Scratch Team (which many interpret that they are actually allowed), when in fact such accounts are not allowed, and will be blocked. I have recently seen some confusion from another Scratcher who seemed to think that shared accounts are allowed, but simply “discouraged.”

The only exception is shared accounts made by immediate family members (such as brother/sister or parent/child) — these sorts of shared accounts are allowed. Shared accounts between a teacher and their students are not allowed. Shared accounts between two cousins are not allowed. Shared accounts between two friends who know each other in real life are not allowed. Shared accounts between two Scratchers who don't know each other in real life are not allowed.

I'm not sure if other Scratch Team members handle these sorts of accounts differently, but I know that I just block any shared accounts that I see, not necessarily asking them to convert it to a single-user account. (Often these users already have a single-user account, so they are welcome to use those accounts to use Scratch.)

I have updated the article (using your post as a reference) to explicitly say collaboration accounts are not allowed, and I also added a warning at the top.

Za-Chary

jvvg wrote:
I have updated the article (using your post as a reference) to explicitly say collaboration accounts are not allowed, and I also added a warning at the top.

Looks great, thank you!

dertermenter

Za-Chary wrote:
jvvg wrote:
I have updated the article (using your post as a reference) to explicitly say collaboration accounts are not allowed, and I also added a warning at the top.
Looks great, thank you!

People think this as the FAQ said they are discouraged. Can you please update the FAQ then?

jvvg

dertermenter wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
jvvg wrote:
I have updated the article (using your post as a reference) to explicitly say collaboration accounts are not allowed, and I also added a warning at the top.
Looks great, thank you!
People think this as the FAQ said they are discouraged. Can you please update the FAQ then?

The FAQ says this for me:

Is it OK to have more than one person logged into an account?
This is not allowed because the website and project editor can easily get confused when more than one person is logged in to the same account.

Scratchy697

How do you make a wiki redirect to a website outside of scratch wiki?
or you can't do that?

46009361

Za-Chary wrote:
-snip-
Looks great, thank you!

The page Collaboration (group) still says discouraged:

The Scratch Wiki wrote:
A common structure of having all of the members share a single account is frowned upon and highly discouraged by the Scratch Team, and could lead to a block of that account. Instead, it is recommended that the users remix existing projects by other members of the collaboration. The owner of the collaboration account can then put the final result on it.

Last edited by 46009361 (March 8, 2021 05:05:35)

dogsmakemehappy

46009361 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
-snip-
Looks great, thank you!
The page Collaboration (group) still says discouraged:
The Scratch Wiki wrote:
A common structure of having all of the members share a single account is frowned upon and highly discouraged by the Scratch Team, and could lead to a block of that account. Instead, it is recommended that the users remix existing projects by other members of the collaboration. The owner of the collaboration account can then put the final result on it.

Done. However, can someone do the reference from za-charys post?

jvvg

Scratchy697 wrote:
How do you make a wiki redirect to a website outside of scratch wiki?
or you can't do that?

You can only redirect to specific sites, per our interwiki table. For example, you can do this to redirect to a Wikipedia article:

#REDIRECT [[wikipedia:Wikipedia Article Name]]

You can also redirect to pages on the Scratch site, for example:

#REDIRECT [[projects:463724280]]

See the Interwiki table I linked earlier for a full list of available sites.

I made an Interwiki redirect in my sandbox as a proof of concept.

That being said, I don't know any situation where there would be a legitimate use case of that on the Wiki (outside of userspace), but if you have one in mind let us know.

46009361

dogsmakemehappy wrote:
46009361 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
-snip-
Looks great, thank you!
The page Collaboration (group) still says discouraged:
The Scratch Wiki wrote:
A common structure of having all of the members share a single account is frowned upon and highly discouraged by the Scratch Team, and could lead to a block of that account. Instead, it is recommended that the users remix existing projects by other members of the collaboration. The owner of the collaboration account can then put the final result on it.
Done. However, can someone do the reference from za-charys post?

The edit is not fully done yet. Please do the following:

Mention that collaboration accounts with immediate family members are allowed
Change “could” to “will”
Change the reference post ID from 1036678 to 4967646

Flowermanvista

Note: I am not a Wiki editor.

I don't know if anyone else was getting this, but while looking at the revision history for some pages, I was getting this weird issue where trying to navigate around the revision list (going to a different page, changing the number of revisions per page) just took me back to the most recent revision of the page. However, purging the cache on each affected page fixed it for some reason. Does anyone know anything else about this?

Last edited by Flowermanvista (March 9, 2021 02:08:29)

emirgokay

Hello

Scratchy697

Should this bit.ly link i found on the wiki be removed?

46009361

Scratchy697 wrote:
Should this bit.ly link i found on the wiki be removed?

Or at least changed to the real Scratch 500 error page. Why was a URL shortener even used?

kenny2scratch

Scratchy697 wrote:
Should this bit.ly link i found on the wiki be removed?

Yes, I've replaced it with its destination, thanks.

46009361

46009361 wrote:
The edit is not fully done yet. Please do the following:
Mention that collaboration accounts with immediate family members are allowed
Change “could” to “will”
Change the reference post ID from 1036678 to 4967646

jvvg already did it.

Last edited by 46009361 (March 9, 2021 16:51:23)

punyamalik

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Last edited by punyamalik (March 10, 2021 00:34:18)

punyamalik

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Racouy015

So guys what are you doing so far?
Made any projects?
I want to see it :3

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