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MrMeowington
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

LittleJimmy12 wrote:

Scratch should give us the choice to use 2.0 or 3.0. Older scratchers will agree, Scratch 3.0 is very different from the one we're used to. The preview is on the opposite side, the tabs are reorganized… It requires basically re-learning scratch. If beginners want a big, bright, easy interface then let them. But don't force everyone to get used to it. Have a setting to switch to 2.0 and keep 3.0 as the default. Not to mention they removed lots of important tools for the sake of being ‘user-friendly.’
(i dont know where to say this at)
Scratch 1.4 and 2.0 are both available for download.

Also, the stage was on the right during the 1.x period, which lasted from 2007 to 2013, and on the left during the 2.0 period, from 2013 to 2019. Both of these periods of time were around 6 years long. However, with 3.0's release, the stage is back on the right, meaning that the right-stage layout has now been used for a longer period of time than the left-stage layout.

not very active on the forums anymore, but i do still use scratch from time to time
_nix
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

LittleJimmy12 wrote:

Scratch should give us the choice to use 2.0 or 3.0. Older scratchers will agree, Scratch 3.0 is very different from the one we're used to. The preview is on the opposite side, the tabs are reorganized… It requires basically re-learning scratch. If beginners want a big, bright, easy interface then let them. But don't force everyone to get used to it. Have a setting to switch to 2.0 and keep 3.0 as the default. Not to mention they removed lots of important tools for the sake of being ‘user-friendly.’
(i dont know where to say this at)
As an older Scratcher, I have to say… I disagree! Scratch 3.0 is pretty awesome. Yeah, it's a bit to get used to, but - while I guess I'm biased because I spent a lot of time in the Scratch 3.0 beta - it's.. not that hard. A lot of the UI does really make more sense now. And I'm not bothered in the slightest by the fact that the UI is all big and bright and “easy” now – that's the Scratch Team trying to be more welcoming to people who are unfamiliar with the cold, dark despair of programming. (I'm just kidding. Of course coding is great for everyone. The new editor design reflects that!)

And y'know – us older Scratchers should be able to adapt to changes, right? At the end of the day, Scratch 3.0 is still the same Scratch we've always loved – it's just a refined, updated version of it, and since we're experienced with Scratch, it won't take us long to re-learn the changed things. Anyway, a bunch of the changes to the editor really are more practical, and while there are totally some bugs, the ST is definitely working on fixing them.

(No worries, this isn't a bad topic to give your thoughts on Scratch 3.0 on.)

(PS, FYI, most things that are missing from the editor are things the Scratch Team is working on, really. I bet if you tell me something that Scratch had in 2.0 but not 3.0, I can find you a GitHub issue or comment saying that it's on the list of things the Scratch Team plans on re-adding. And if not - if you bring it up, the ST will probably label it as a missing feature and add it to their list of things to add back!)

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Endermuffine71
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

MrMeowington wrote:

LittleJimmy12 wrote:

Scratch should give us the choice to use 2.0 or 3.0. Older scratchers will agree, Scratch 3.0 is very different from the one we're used to. The preview is on the opposite side, the tabs are reorganized… It requires basically re-learning scratch. If beginners want a big, bright, easy interface then let them. But don't force everyone to get used to it. Have a setting to switch to 2.0 and keep 3.0 as the default. Not to mention they removed lots of important tools for the sake of being ‘user-friendly.’
(i dont know where to say this at)
Scratch 1.4 and 2.0 are both available for download.

Also, the stage was on the right during the 1.x period, which lasted from 2007 to 2013, and on the left during the 2.0 period, from 2013 to 2019. Both of these periods of time were around 6 years long. However, with 3.0's release, the stage is back on the right, meaning that the right-stage layout has now been used for a longer period of time than the left-stage layout.

I was also about to say this.
Download Scratch 2.0 here

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s_federici
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

LittleJimmy12 wrote:

Not to mention they removed lots of important tools for the sake of being ‘user-friendly.’
Which tools are you referring to?
SimpleScratch
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

_nix wrote:

And y'know – us older Scratchers should be able to adapt to changes, right? …

The problem for young Scratchers is that 6 years in the life of a 12 year old is 50% of their life (or 100% of their programming time)

Whereas for an old codger like me - its only 10%

So, I have a lot of sympathy for young Scratchers facing this great upheaval in their programming experience

NO-ONE (well very very few people) like change and 2.0 to 3.0 is a pretty big one

A lot of scratchers have put their heart and souls into some projects and now things are not working out well (or in some cases - not at all) for a lot of them

As _nix has said - Scratch 3 is not terrible or bad but it is a big change.






Last edited by SimpleScratch (Jan. 10, 2019 08:51:11)

infinitytec
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

_nix wrote:

LittleJimmy12 wrote:

Scratch should give us the choice to use 2.0 or 3.0. Older scratchers will agree, Scratch 3.0 is very different from the one we're used to. The preview is on the opposite side, the tabs are reorganized… It requires basically re-learning scratch. If beginners want a big, bright, easy interface then let them. But don't force everyone to get used to it. Have a setting to switch to 2.0 and keep 3.0 as the default. Not to mention they removed lots of important tools for the sake of being ‘user-friendly.’
(i dont know where to say this at)
As an older Scratcher, I have to say… I disagree! Scratch 3.0 is pretty awesome. Yeah, it's a bit to get used to, but - while I guess I'm biased because I spent a lot of time in the Scratch 3.0 beta - it's.. not that hard. A lot of the UI does really make more sense now. And I'm not bothered in the slightest by the fact that the UI is all big and bright and “easy” now – that's the Scratch Team trying to be more welcoming to people who are unfamiliar with the cold, dark despair of programming. (I'm just kidding. Of course coding is great for everyone. The new editor design reflects that!)

And y'know – us older Scratchers should be able to adapt to changes, right? At the end of the day, Scratch 3.0 is still the same Scratch we've always loved – it's just a refined, updated version of it, and since we're experienced with Scratch, it won't take us long to re-learn the changed things. Anyway, a bunch of the changes to the editor really are more practical, and while there are totally some bugs, the ST is definitely working on fixing them.

(No worries, this isn't a bad topic to give your thoughts on Scratch 3.0 on.)

(PS, FYI, most things that are missing from the editor are things the Scratch Team is working on, really. I bet if you tell me something that Scratch had in 2.0 but not 3.0, I can find you a GitHub issue or comment saying that it's on the list of things the Scratch Team plans on re-adding. And if not - if you bring it up, the ST will probably label it as a missing feature and add it to their list of things to add back!)
Agreed.


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Wetbikeboy2500 wrote:

good old infinitytec
infinitytec
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

Endermuffine71 wrote:

Anyways, I don't think Scratch 3.0 needs flash and If you were able to run 2.0 (Which did need flash) you should be able to run 3.0, if you have flash that is.

My browser / operating system: MacOS Macintosh X 10.14.1, Chrome 71.0.3578.98, No Flash version detected
Not really. Flash was a browser extension, and Scratch didn't really require a very recent version of it. 3.0 requires a more modern browser than is available on a lot of older OSes.


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Wetbikeboy2500 wrote:

good old infinitytec
NickyNouse
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

_nix wrote:

snip
+1 to everything they just said
d_and_g
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

MCAnimator3D wrote:

Anyone know if there's a way to run projects with the 2.0 player? Some of my projects don't work anymore and I'd like to include a link that tells the user to go there instead (Phosphorus doesn't work either).
When you download projects now, they are .sb3 files so they can't work with 2.0 player unless you downloaded them as .sb2 before the update

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s_federici
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

d_and_g wrote:

When you download projects now, they are .sb3 files so they can't work with 2.0 player unless you downloaded them as .sb2 before the update
This is horribly true. When they moved from 1.4 to 2.0 you could still download the old sb format of 1.4 by clicking the “share” link below the project player (link that now, very unfortunately, it is not available anymore).

Last edited by s_federici (Jan. 10, 2019 16:48:54)

_nix
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

s_federici wrote:

d_and_g wrote:

When you download projects now, they are .sb3 files so they can't work with 2.0 player unless you downloaded them as .sb2 before the update
This is horribly true. When they moved from 1.4 to 2.0 you could still download the old sb format of 1.4 by clicking the “share” link below the project player (link that now, very unfortunately, it is not available anymore).
As a workaround you can use MegaApuTurkUltra's Scratch Project Backup tool, or my s2online 2.0 project viewer.

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s2online: Run Scratch 2.0 in your browser; edit and back up any 1.4 or 2.0 project.
HK Scenery: WIP Hollow Knight-inspired adventure project!
HK Editor: Try out the in-game editor! WIP – expect bugs. :)
Owengren
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

Roseyfurby_Aj wrote:



No way! Kaj hacked you!

Here's my example of a crazy Scratch 3.0 project and I hope you enjoy it!
Owengren
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

SB to SB3 problems

When I convert a Scratch 1.4 project directly into Scratch 3.0, things don't work. For example:

  • The bottom row of pixels of a costume disappear
  • Direction problems
  • <color [#fff000] is touching [#000fff] ?> // stops working

Is there a way to convert Scratch 1.4 projects into Scratch 2.0 project without using the offline editor, then load the Scratch 2.0 project into Scratch 3.0?

Here's my example of a crazy Scratch 3.0 project and I hope you enjoy it!
magicaljellymaster7
Scratcher
1 post

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

Well, I tried to change the “change sprite name thing” and it doesn't work… please help!
1-UP-Pancakestudios
Scratcher
57 posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

It looks like the server is fixed! Im looking for bugs now.

Put /Remixtree/ in a Scratch project url to get remixtrees. They are still there!

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_magi_
Scratcher
3 posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

How do i show the mouse x
12367167cvusd3
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

I like the
set drag mode [draggable v]::sensing 

Last edited by 12367167cvusd3 (Jan. 11, 2019 22:06:51)

scratching2x
Scratcher
36 posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

The scratch team does not really have a choice on the update since Flash is end-of-life-ing in 2020.
s_federici
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

_nix wrote:

s_federici wrote:

As a workaround you can use MegaApuTurkUltra's Scratch Project Backup tool, or my s2online 2.0 project viewer.
Thanks _nix. It surely helps. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to let me download old 1.4 projects in sb format.
_nix
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch 3.0 Technical Discussion

s_federici wrote:

_nix wrote:

As a workaround you can use MegaApuTurkUltra's Scratch Project Backup tool, or my s2online 2.0 project viewer.
Thanks _nix. It surely helps. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to let me download old 1.4 projects in sb format.
Since a 1.4 project is stored as a binary file, you can simply go to https://projects.scratch.mit.edu/<id> to download it (you'll have to rename it to .sb). (projects.scratch.mit.edu doesn't work as simply for sb2s and sb3s because they simply return the project.json files; their assets are fetched one by one by Scratch 2.0 and 3.0 and other clients like MATU's Scratch Project Backup and s2online.)

art blog – My pronouns are they/them, btw. sparrows one word to the paragraph
s2online: Run Scratch 2.0 in your browser; edit and back up any 1.4 or 2.0 project.
HK Scenery: WIP Hollow Knight-inspired adventure project!
HK Editor: Try out the in-game editor! WIP – expect bugs. :)

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