What's the hardest programming language?

nickeljorn

So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)

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Last edited by nickeljorn (Feb. 26, 2017 14:06:40)

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lugga

nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)

Insanely stupidly purposefully difficult language: Malbolge
Difficult but very useful: C++ / C / Java / Any derivative of these

nickeljorn

lugga wrote:
nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)
Insanely stupidly purposefully difficult language: Malbolge
Difficult but very useful: C++ / C / Java / Any derivative of these

Yeah. I heard C++ was hard to learn.

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Darkwren

lugga wrote:
nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)
Insanely stupidly purposefully difficult language: Malbolge
Difficult but very useful: C++ / C / Java / Any derivative of these

Java isn't that hard if you have some half decent programming knowledge.

And if you know Java, you can learn C (or any C derivative) faster than if you didn't.

Last edited by Darkwren (Feb. 23, 2017 20:35:57)

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nickeljorn wrote:
lugga wrote:
nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)
Insanely stupidly purposefully difficult language: Malbolge
Difficult but very useful: C++ / C / Java / Any derivative of these

Yeah. I heard C++ was hard to learn.

Even though many people don't recommend C++ for beginners, I like it (and I consider myself to be a sort-of beginner). I think the reason that C++ is avoided is because it is low-level and languages with more abstraction are easier to understand, but I believe that C++ lets people learn what goes on behind the scenes in terms of the memory.

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TheMonsterOfTheDeep

You can design an arbitrarily hard-to-use programming language.

Here is a simple example:

Deadly Python

To execute Deadly Python, the interpreter calculates the SHA 256 hash of every line of the source file, and then interprets that as a Python program.

In terms of the programming language that taught me the most about programming, I would most definitely say C. However, starting with C is not necessarily a good idea, because C provides only a very small layer of abstraction, so you really have to have a good understanding of what is actually going on inside the computer, to some extent.

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Rust?

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BookOwl

-stache- wrote:
Rust?

While I love Rust, I wouldn't recommend it for a first programming language because the compiler can be very picky with your code, which is great if you already are an experienced programmer, not so much for a beginner.

Chibi-Matoran wrote:
Even though many people don't recommend C++ for beginners, I like it (and I consider myself to be a sort-of beginner). I think the reason that C++ is avoided is because it is low-level and languages with more abstraction are easier to understand, but I believe that C++ lets people learn what goes on behind the scenes in terms of the memory.

I also wouldn't recommend C++ for a beginner either, but more because its syntax is so confusing. At least with Java I can tell what the program does, but C++ is nearly impossible. For example, if you didn't know C++, could you easily understand the following:

class BinaryExprAST : public ExprAST {
  char Op;
  std::unique_ptr<ExprAST> LHS, RHS;
public:
  BinaryExprAST(char op, std::unique_ptr<ExprAST> LHS,
                std::unique_ptr<ExprAST> RHS)
    : Op(op), LHS(std::move(LHS)), RHS(std::move(RHS)) {}
};

The most that I can make of it is that it is a class named BinaryExprAST that has something to do with a public ExprAST, but how it works or what else it does I have no clue. I hate to say it, but Java actually looks better. :yikes:

For a beginner, I would highly recommend Python 3 and the Invent with Python books, which are free.

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IcyCoder wrote:
Whitespace or chef I would have to say

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You'll have to use your imagination :-)

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daCypher

Well, there are programming languages which are deliberately designed to be hard. For example Fractran or Intercal or hardest of all, Malbolge (which is actually so hard, it took a few years to invent a program which can make Malbolge print a simple “Hello World”)

Out of the really used programming languages, I'd say that most assembler languages are really hard. They don't have many instructions but you can easily make mistakes, so the program won't work as expected.

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jromagnoli

nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)

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Just learn python, it's pretty good to learn after scratch, or you could try snap!.

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nickeljorn

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punkbass

Play CodeCombat, you can switch back and forth between JavaScript and Python. JavaScript is similar to C++.

I've played with Python with Minecraft Pi, but I think I learned more from CodeCombat (and then used what I learned in Minecraft Pi).

After using Python, I use lists a lot more on Scratch. There are a few games I made on Scratch that really could have used lists like the Geography games but I don't feel like updating them.

DatOneLefty

punkbass wrote:
Play CodeCombat, you can switch back and forth between JavaScript and Python. JavaScript is similar to C++.

I've played with Python with Minecraft Pi, but I think I learned more from CodeCombat (and then used what I learned in Minecraft Pi).

After using Python, I use lists a lot more on Scratch. There are a few games I made on Scratch that really could have used lists like the Geography games but I don't feel like updating them.

I tried codecombat. It just shows you the structute of the language, not kuch of actual use… so I just learned java script by just using w3schools (sorry AT) and I attended to learn c y just searching up what I wanted to do.

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theonlygusti

herohamp wrote:
BrainFleck.

Understand this –
>–.>———.>–..+++.>—-.>+++++++++.<<.+++.——.<-.>>+.

Yeah… no. * has nothing on malbolge.

gor-dee

My first computer was a BBC micro which, along with the usual (for computers of the day) BASIC interpreter, allowed you to program in assembly language. Very slow to program but very fast to run. I didn't use it much but it taught me a lot about how a microprocessor actually works.

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nickeljorn wrote:
So I'm really, really good at scratch but I don't have much experience in other languages. My dad said that I can only get better at scratch if I start Python and stuff because I've already learned pretty much everything you can learn about Scratch inside Scratch. Obviously I'm not going to try a language that makes me scratch my head a lot, but what's the hardest programming language? (Wow, you would probably learn a LOT about programming if you tried a fiendishly difficult language)

EDIT: Apparently this is a really popular thread!

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