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PullJosh wrote:

Sometimes in English people will put two spaces after the end of a sentence, but I think that's pretty rare at this point.
I think Brian's still a two-spacer

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I was gonna say, I think approximately 80% of people over 40, including my parents, type like that. Maybe it's left over from when people didn't really think of ‘space’ as a letter.

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We double-space after ends of sentences because we were taught that in school. Even in handwriting (which they used to teach back then, failing miserably in my case) we were taught to leave extra space between sentences.

But, it's pretty clear why that's a good idea. Periods are used for things other than ends of sentences, such as abbreviations, Mr. Smith. Extra space makes the sentence gaps clear, and makes the words within a sentence more tightly grouped.

The disappearance of double space after sentences is just part of the general devolution of care for the aesthetics of rendering text in print altogether among you whippersnappers (such as the rise of hideous sans serif fonts </flame>).

As for Japanese, I point out that Join Words is written in Snap! itself, and translators are welcome to provide alternative versions – although most likely a Japanese speaker will just refrain from using it altogether. (Although Wikipedia says that occasionally they use a raised dot ・U+30FB as a word separator.)

P.S. Space isn't a letter! If anything, it's a punctuation character. We dinosaurs do understand both “letter” and “character,” and we understand the difference. Even though we didn't have computers, we did have typewriters, and so the notion that you have to push something to get a space, same as you have to push something to get a letter, is familiar to us.

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bharvey wrote:

We double-space after ends of sentences because we were taught that in school. Even in handwriting (which they used to teach back then, failing miserably in my case) we were taught to leave extra space between sentences.

But, it's pretty clear why that's a good idea. Periods are used for things other than ends of sentences, such as abbreviations, Mr. Smith. Extra space makes the sentence gaps clear, and makes the words within a sentence more tightly grouped.

The disappearance of double space after sentences is just part of the general devolution of care for the aesthetics of rendering text in print altogether among you whippersnappers (such as the rise of hideous sans serif fonts </flame>).

As for Japanese, I point out that Join Words is written in Snap! itself, and translators are welcome to provide alternative versions – although most likely a Japanese speaker will just refrain from using it altogether. (Although Wikipedia says that occasionally they use a raised dot ・U+30FB as a word separator.)

P.S. Space isn't a letter! If anything, it's a punctuation character. We dinosaurs do understand both “letter” and “character,” and we understand the difference. Even though we didn't have computers, we did have typewriters, and so the notion that you have to push something to get a space, same as you have to push something to get a letter, is familiar to us.
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birdoftheday wrote:

I was gonna say, I think approximately 80% of people over 40, including my parents, type like that. Maybe it's left over from when people didn't really think of ‘space’ as a letter.
I do that…


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bharvey wrote:

The disappearance of double space after sentences is just part of the general devolution of care for the aesthetics of rendering text in print altogether among you whippersnappers (such as the rise of hideous sans serif fonts </flame>).
A proper text renderer will still leave extra space after a period. That's why programs like LyX will not even let you type two spaces in a row - LaTeX handles it for you!



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birdoftheday wrote:

I was gonna say, I think approximately 80% of people over 40, including my parents, type like that. Maybe it's left over from when people didn't really think of ‘space’ as a letter.
People think of space as a letter????

bharvey wrote:

We double-space after ends of sentences because we were taught that in school. Even in handwriting (which they used to teach back then, failing miserably in my case) we were taught to leave extra space between sentences.
I was never taught that.

Edit: Oh, maybe I was but forgot it. I don't think I ever did that except by accident when typing.

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Jonathan50 wrote:

I love generating random English so much
I made a Snap! project for writing “grammars” and then generating random stuff that is valid in the language specified by them.

The project is here.

Last edited by Jonathan50 (Oct. 15, 2016 00:38:18)

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When I said letter I meant character although I guess that might even be before bharvey

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Jonathan50 wrote:

The project is here.
Data directed programming! I love it!

Now make it handle left recursive rules.

One slight quibble (about grammar, not programming): no such thing as an adjective phrase or adverb phrase. A phrase has to be a coherent unit of meaning, and a string of adjectives clearly isn't that – the adjectives don't connect to each other except in that they're all connected to the same noun. You could call them “adjective string” or something that isn't a technical term in grammar. (I was the only kid in my sixth grade (11-year-olds) class who loved diagramming sentences!)

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birdoftheday wrote:

although I guess that might even be before bharvey
Nothing is before me. I have always existed.

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Jonathan50 wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

I love generating random English so much
I made a Snap! project for writing “grammars” and then generating random stuff that is valid in the language specified by them.

The project is here.
It's giving me an error saying that “list.length” is not a function.
Never mind, I forgot to run the initialize script.

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bharvey wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

The project is here.
Data directed programming! I love it!
I find it interesting too

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bharvey wrote:

Data directed programming! I love it!
Thanks.
Now make it handle left recursive rules.
Don't they work? (If I try, and they don't work, my browser is probably going to freeze…) I can't see why it wouldn't work.
One slight quibble (about grammar, not programming): no such thing as an adjective phrase or adverb phrase. A phrase has to be a coherent unit of meaning, and a string of adjectives clearly isn't that – the adjectives don't connect to each other except in that they're all connected to the same noun. You could call them “adjective string” or something that isn't a technical term in grammar. (I was the only kid in my sixth grade (11-year-olds) class who loved diagramming sentences!)
Oh. Alright, I changed it to “adjectives” and “adverbs”.

liam48D wrote:

I find it interesting too
Nice!
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Jonathan50 wrote:

Don't they work?
You're right; I apologize. I'm not sure quite why, though; I'd expect a recursive descent parser to get lost in infinite recursion some of the time without ever generating anything.

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I tried this

and it worked fine.

Edit: Why did I make it say “hi” instead of “hello”??
Edit 2: Ninja'd

Last edited by Jonathan50 (Oct. 15, 2016 22:29:51)

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liam48D wrote:

I find it interesting too
It took me a while to find out what was different in your version. You must have an enormous (and square, from the shape of your stage) screen.

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bharvey wrote:

liam48D wrote:

I find it interesting too
It took me a while to find out what was different in your version. You must have an enormous (and square, from the shape of your stage) screen.
Actually, nope – I was just overestimating the size of speech bubbles. I have a 1920x1080 21.5 inch screen.

I guess that's kind of big.

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Why am I sometimes not getting notified of new messages here today? (No, I haven't unfollowed it by accident.) (Nor on purpose. )

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bharvey wrote:

Why am I sometimes not getting notified of new messages here today? (No, I haven't unfollowed it by accident.) (Nor on purpose. )
Because the Scratch forums are broken

bharvey wrote:

(Nor on purpose. )
Lol.

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