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- joefarebrother
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
I said this before, but I agree that list literals are better. However, I wish to refrain from arrow inputs, because they are in Snap!'s style. Do any of you have any ideas for alternative ways for list literals to be represented?My idea (on the other thread) is for a button that appears when you hover over any block input lists would make sense, with a tooltip like “add a list”, which when clicked would insert something like a stage list monitor. You could add items to it, delete items to it, and edit items on it. You could type into the boxes, and also drag reporter blocks into them, and also there would be another add a list button next to every item field to make nested lists.
I was in the process of making a mockup in GIMP, but it's taking a while, I'll post it here and on the other thread when done.
Last edited by joefarebrother (April 28, 2016 21:34:51)
- BookOwl
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
BUMP
Please see my updated OP.
ST, please add this to Scratch 3.0!
Please see my updated OP.
ST, please add this to Scratch 3.0!
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- Jonathan50
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
If Scratch's lists stay just dynamic arrays (not linked lists), then these blocks will be quite slow…([thing] in front of (list) :: list)
(all but first of (list) :: list)
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- BookOwl
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
BumpyMcBumpFaceGreat!
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- BookOwl
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
TheIf Scratch's lists stay just dynamic arrays (not linked lists), then these blocks will be quite slow…([thing] in front of (list) :: list)
(all but first of (list) :: list)
insert [] at (1 v) of [ v]already has the same problem, plus, with the move to 3.0, it's the perfect time to add this.
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- ProgramminWeekly
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
Well, I guess it would be nice, but as ChocolatePi said earlier, it would be a pain to use.
Semi Support as per ChocolatePi.
Semi Support as per ChocolatePi.
- Sigton
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
Full support.As per this.
It adds a very powerful new feature and makes many changes, yet adds only one block.
Sigton
- edward789121test
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.
- BookOwl
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
Last edited by BookOwl (June 30, 2016 13:39:46)
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- edward789121test
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
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- DaSpudLord
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
And…?Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
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- helloandgoodbye9
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
The floor is kept low, but the ceiling will rise.Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
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- -Io-
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
What's wrong about the suggestion according to that sticky? Pretty sure BookOwl has read it. It's mentioned in most of these kind of topics, mostly the complex ones (First time on this one though, I think)Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
Just like kids learn how normal lists work, they can learn how first class lists work. Tell me, when you first used a list reporter, did you expect it to return the list in text? Or did you expect the list itself? Well, at least for me, I expected the latter.
Transforming the list into text was a bit confusing, but I ended up getting accustomed to it. The low floor wouldn't change at all if we switch from text to lists, it would probably even lower a bit more.
- edward789121test
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New to Scratch
93 posts
A simple way to add First Class Lists
The floor goes up if we add first-class lists.The floor is kept low, but the ceiling will rise.Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
- -Io-
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
I really don't see how that could happen.The floor goes up if we add first-class lists.The floor is kept low, but the ceiling will rise.Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
- edward789121test
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New to Scratch
93 posts
A simple way to add First Class Lists
What's wrong about the suggestion according to that sticky? Pretty sure BookOwl has read it. It's mentioned in most of these kind of topics, mostly the complex ones (First time on this one though, I think)Ahem…No support. New scratchers have no idea how it would work (and I still do not understand the first-class-lists stack blocks) plus, snap! Uses FCLs, so you can share it in snap or MS.That's the beauty of my suggestion. New Scratchers's wouldn't have to know about lists being first class (most of them don't know about regular lists anyway) since this would only add 3 blocks, and when they are ready to learn about lists being first class, they can ask on the forums or look it up on the wiki.
read the stickies.
Just like kids learn how normal lists work, they can learn how first class lists work. Tell me, when you first used a list reporter, did you expect it to return the list in text? Or did you expect the list itself? Well, at least for me, I expected the latter.
Transforming the list into text was a bit confusing, but I ended up getting accustomed to it. The low floor wouldn't change at all if we switch from text to lists, it would probably even lower a bit more.
Add [] to [=]How the heck will anyone understand THAT?
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Last edited by edward789121test (June 30, 2016 16:14:56)
- Sigton
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
The floor goes up if we add first-class lists.I disagree, lists would behave in a more intuitive way.
Also, what's the point of programming if nothing has to be learned? The floor can't be all the way down on the ground.
Sigton
- NanoRook
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A simple way to add First Class Lists
This is simple, yet effective. I don't know how this kind of stuff works, but I can see it would benefit advanced Scratchers by allowing them to make more complex projects.
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