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helloandgoodbye9
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.
I might add the functionality to convert BYOB to Whiskers. It might be interesting.

AND UPDATE: I have been hard at work trying to fix a recursive blocks bug.

2nd UPDATE: I have big plans for the future. It will not only require a new *.image file, but a bit more! And it will be ~10x faster!
Any update on this?

Last edited by helloandgoodbye9 (May 8, 2016 23:48:18)


Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 25:61:61) ͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪ ͣͣͣͣ ͯͯͯͯYes, its above the line)
bobbybee
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

I can reproduce the black-screen-of-death bug – although Whiskers used to work.
Can you give instructions on how to reproduce? Can I have your OS info? Do other mods work?

NoMod wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

SO MANY MODS!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone besides me is fired.
Now there are less.
Opening the image in the squeakvm just produces a black screen of death; not much to it.

         _,met$$$$$gg.           [redacted]@debian
,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 8.4 jessie
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 21m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 2837
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: bash 4.3.30
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1920x1080
$$: $$. - ,d$$' WM: GNOME Shell
$$\; Y$b._ _,d$P' WM Theme: Arc
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' GTK Theme: Not Found [GTK2], Not Found [GTK3]
`$$b "-.__ Icon Theme: Not Found
`Y$$ Font: Not Found
`Y$$. CPU: [redacted]
`$$b. RAM: [redacted]
`Y$$b.
`"Y$b._
`""""

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NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

I can reproduce the black-screen-of-death bug – although Whiskers used to work.
Can you give instructions on how to reproduce? Can I have your OS info? Do other mods work?

NoMod wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

SO MANY MODS!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone besides me is fired.
Now there are less.
Opening the image in the squeakvm just produces a black screen of death; not much to it.

         _,met$$$$$gg.           [redacted]@debian
,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 8.4 jessie
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 21m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 2837
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: bash 4.3.30
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1920x1080
$$: $$. - ,d$$' WM: GNOME Shell
$$\; Y$b._ _,d$P' WM Theme: Arc
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' GTK Theme: Not Found [GTK2], Not Found [GTK3]
`$$b "-.__ Icon Theme: Not Found
`Y$$ Font: Not Found
`Y$$. CPU: [redacted]
`$$b. RAM: [redacted]
`Y$$b.
`"Y$b._
`""""
Hmm… Which graphic card do you have?

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bobbybee
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

I can reproduce the black-screen-of-death bug – although Whiskers used to work.
Can you give instructions on how to reproduce? Can I have your OS info? Do other mods work?

NoMod wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

SO MANY MODS!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone besides me is fired.
Now there are less.
Opening the image in the squeakvm just produces a black screen of death; not much to it.

         _,met$$$$$gg.           [redacted]@debian
,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 8.4 jessie
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 21m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 2837
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: bash 4.3.30
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1920x1080
$$: $$. - ,d$$' WM: GNOME Shell
$$\; Y$b._ _,d$P' WM Theme: Arc
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' GTK Theme: Not Found [GTK2], Not Found [GTK3]
`$$b "-.__ Icon Theme: Not Found
`Y$$ Font: Not Found
`Y$$. CPU: [redacted]
`$$b. RAM: [redacted]
`Y$$b.
`"Y$b._
`""""
Hmm… Which graphic card do you have?
…. integrated Intel chipset. But that shouldn't matter; it's official drivers and everything else works fine

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NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

I can reproduce the black-screen-of-death bug – although Whiskers used to work.
Can you give instructions on how to reproduce? Can I have your OS info? Do other mods work?

NoMod wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

SO MANY MODS!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone besides me is fired.
Now there are less.
Opening the image in the squeakvm just produces a black screen of death; not much to it.

         _,met$$$$$gg.           [redacted]@debian
,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 8.4 jessie
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 21m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 2837
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: bash 4.3.30
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1920x1080
$$: $$. - ,d$$' WM: GNOME Shell
$$\; Y$b._ _,d$P' WM Theme: Arc
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' GTK Theme: Not Found [GTK2], Not Found [GTK3]
`$$b "-.__ Icon Theme: Not Found
`Y$$ Font: Not Found
`Y$$. CPU: [redacted]
`$$b. RAM: [redacted]
`Y$$b.
`"Y$b._
`""""
Hmm… Which graphic card do you have?
…. integrated Intel chipset. But that shouldn't matter; it's official drivers and everything else works fine
Okay… I'll look into it.

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bobbybee
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)

Last edited by bobbybee (May 9, 2016 22:13:40)


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Jonathan50
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
It won't be a bug in Whiskers, I have the problem with BYOB 3 (I know it's outdated but “nostalgia”) and Panther too. (For the time being I'm just using Wine but it's not really a satisfactory solution)

Last edited by Jonathan50 (May 9, 2016 22:58:32)

NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
I've checked, it seems to be an issue with some Linux computers, but not others. For example (and this makes it hard to see how and why the bug manifests), on my computer, I didn't see an issue last month, but it is possible a recent system update could have broken it.

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67
bobbybee
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
I've checked, it seems to be an issue with some Linux computers, but not others. For example (and this makes it hard to see how and why the bug manifests), on my computer, I didn't see an issue last month, but it is possible a recent system update could have broken it.
Should we file a bug against Debian then?

“Ooo, can I call you Señorita Bee?” ~Chibi-Matoran
Jonathan50
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
I've checked, it seems to be an issue with some Linux computers, but not others. For example (and this makes it hard to see how and why the bug manifests), on my computer, I didn't see an issue last month, but it is possible a recent system update could have broken it.
Should we file a bug against Debian then?
Arch/Parabola has the same issue.
bobbybee
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

Jonathan50 wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
I've checked, it seems to be an issue with some Linux computers, but not others. For example (and this makes it hard to see how and why the bug manifests), on my computer, I didn't see an issue last month, but it is possible a recent system update could have broken it.
Should we file a bug against Debian then?
Arch/Parabola has the same issue.
I see. Could be a bug upstream, then. Contact the Squeak maintainer?

“Ooo, can I call you Señorita Bee?” ~Chibi-Matoran
NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

bobbybee wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

bobbybee wrote:

It's possible the Debian squeak VM is broken.

(Consider spinning up a VM running Debian if there is a subtle bug in Whiskers)
I've checked, it seems to be an issue with some Linux computers, but not others. For example (and this makes it hard to see how and why the bug manifests), on my computer, I didn't see an issue last month, but it is possible a recent system update could have broken it.
Should we file a bug against Debian then?
Arch/Parabola has the same issue.
I see. Could be a bug upstream, then. Contact the Squeak maintainer?
But it worked a while ago, as the VM doesn't receive updates (for such an old VM version), so the issue must be with a recent linux update.

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helloandgoodbye9
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.
I might add the functionality to convert BYOB to Whiskers. It might be interesting.

AND UPDATE: I have been hard at work trying to fix a recursive blocks bug.

2nd UPDATE: I have big plans for the future. It will not only require a new *.image file, but a bit more! And it will be ~10x faster!
Any update on this?

Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 25:61:61) ͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪ ͣͣͣͣ ͯͯͯͯYes, its above the line)
NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.
I might add the functionality to convert BYOB to Whiskers. It might be interesting.

AND UPDATE: I have been hard at work trying to fix a recursive blocks bug.

2nd UPDATE: I have big plans for the future. It will not only require a new *.image file, but a bit more! And it will be ~10x faster!
Any update on this?
The first part about adding BYOB functionality to Whiskers: This is coming soon (the functionality will take a while, as custom reporters, lambdas, and bunches of other stuff needs to be ported correctly), or maybe may never come at all, depending on what roadblocks I may find.

1st update (to OP): I fixed the bug a while ago when fixing custom blocks in v24
2nd update (to OP): This update was the first NuWhiskers release

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67
helloandgoodbye9
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:

Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.
I might add the functionality to convert BYOB to Whiskers. It might be interesting.

AND UPDATE: I have been hard at work trying to fix a recursive blocks bug.

2nd UPDATE: I have big plans for the future. It will not only require a new *.image file, but a bit more! And it will be ~10x faster!
Any update on this?
The first part about adding BYOB functionality to Whiskers: This is coming soon (the functionality will take a while, as custom reporters, lambdas, and bunches of other stuff needs to be ported correctly), or maybe may never come at all, depending on what roadblocks I may find.

1st update (to OP): I fixed the bug a while ago when fixing custom blocks in v24
2nd update (to OP): This update was the first NuWhiskers release
Thank you.

Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 25:61:61) ͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪ ͣͣͣͣ ͯͯͯͯYes, its above the line)
cs293450
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

Make a Wihskers wiki with users registered on forums and many articles created. When someone creates a new account on the forums, a new user appears on the User list. Also make a [block] template.

I'm dead lol
-Radical-
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

Well I could ask the main dev but that can probably happenm

Sincerely, probably me. Maybe myself. Or sometimes I.

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MegaApuTurkUltra
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

-Radical- wrote:

Well I could ask the main dev but that can probably happenm
I believe (once again) that NoMod has a name.

I also don't think you can predict what NoMod will reply. If you don't have a definite answer, please don't post what is essentially “I don't know”

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Firedrake969
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

MegaApuTurkUltra wrote:

-Radical- wrote:

Well I could ask the main dev but that can probably happenm
I believe (once again) that NoMod has a name.

I also don't think you can predict what NoMod will reply. If you don't have a definite answer, please don't post what is essentially “I don't know”
Additionally, you (-Radical-) aren't NoMod's ears. He can see the thread himself.
What you're doing is acting as if you are the spokesperson for Whiskers. You aren't, unless NoMod has actually said you are (which I highly doubt).

'17 rickoid

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NoMod-Programming
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Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

Firedrake969 wrote:

MegaApuTurkUltra wrote:

-Radical- wrote:

Well I could ask the main dev but that can probably happenm
I believe (once again) that NoMod has a name.

I also don't think you can predict what NoMod will reply. If you don't have a definite answer, please don't post what is essentially “I don't know”
Additionally, you (-Radical-) aren't NoMod's ears. He can see the thread himself.
What you're doing is acting as if you are the spokesperson for Whiskers. You aren't, unless NoMod has actually said you are (which I highly doubt).
No, I haven't said that he's the spokesperson for Whiskers. @-Radical-, can you please leave the commenting to me?

cs293450 wrote:

Make a Wihskers wiki with users registered on forums and many articles created. When someone creates a new account on the forums, a new user appears on the User list. Also make a [block] template.
@cs293450 and @-Radical-:I'm honestly not sure that I can get a wiki set up sometime soon, as I'm a bit busy working on the newest NuWhiskers release.

Last edited by NoMod-Programming (May 13, 2016 22:55:05)


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