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dude341
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1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

In Scratch, there is no “true” or “false” booleans.
Right now, we have to do
<[0] = [0]>
for “true” and
<[0] = [1]>
for “false”
Doing that is kind of confusing and New Scratchers probably won't understand it.
So, Scratch could add “true” and “false” booleans!
Here is what they would look like:
true::operators boolean
and
false::operators boolean
They are booleans
So, do you support?
Support/Semi Support
  • stickfiregames (Support)
  • scratchinghead (+0.5/Semi-Support)
  • sithsiri (Support)
  • Gaza101(Support)
  • Zekrom01(Support)

No Support
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  • Blank1234
  • IronBit_Studios
  • ZozaTech
  • Cream_E_Cookie

Last edited by dude341 (Sept. 12, 2015 18:41:44)


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Econinja
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.

Last edited by Econinja (Sept. 12, 2015 08:38:39)


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dude341
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1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.

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Econinja
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1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.
Uhhh…*
Anyways, you've got the in editor help, the Scratch Wiki, the Questions About Scratch forums (Help with Scripts isn't the best place since it's for scripts, but I get it) and loads of people who can help.
Still no support due to obviousness and plentiful help resources.
(BTW, I think Snap! has this feature)
*Disclaimer: This is not a rule

Last edited by Econinja (Sept. 12, 2015 08:48:07)


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dude341
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Econinja wrote:

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.
Uhhh…
Anyways, you've got the in editor help, the Scratch Wiki, the Questions About Scratch forums (Help with Scripts isn't the best place since it's for scripts, but I get it) and loads of people who can help.
Still no support due to obviousness and plentiful help resources.
That topic is for someone saying “No support” because it is confusing to new Scratchers.
(I actually support that)

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iamunknown2
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.
They could also be confused on what clones are, so should we remove them from Scratch?

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Jonathan50
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1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = []>
blocks do.
Seriously?
Its just one thing is the same is the other…
If new scratchers at first don't understand, that's fine and normal, they can just learn and find out.
Do you expect a new scratcher to understand
when gf clicked
with out being told, or finding it out?

Last edited by Jonathan50 (Sept. 12, 2015 09:31:36)

stickfiregames
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1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

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scratchinghead
Scratcher
500+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Semi-support, workaroundable.

Last edited by kaj (Today 18:04:22)
dude341
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Everyone: “true” and “false” booleans are in other languages, so why not in Scratch?

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dude341
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

iamunknown2 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.
They could also be confused on what clones are, so should we remove them from Scratch?
When did I suggest to remove the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks?

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iamunknown2
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

dude341 wrote:

iamunknown2 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.
But New Scratcher could be confused by what the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks do.
They could also be confused on what clones are, so should we remove them from Scratch?
When did I suggest to remove the
<[] = [ ]>
blocks?
OK. I'll give another example: If Scratchers don't know what forever blocks are, does that mean we should use goto blocks instead?

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Jonathan50
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

iamunknown2 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

-snip-
OK. I'll give another example: If Scratchers don't know what forever blocks are, does that mean we should use goto blocks instead?
Argh

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sithsiri
Scratcher
100+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Lol support. Why not? It would be easy to implement.

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Gaza101
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

This is a core feature of nearly every high-level programming language that exists today. It makes absolutely no sense not to implement this; it should have been added in Scratch 1.0, honestly. Support.

Last edited by Gaza101 (Sept. 12, 2015 12:56:55)


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Rumanti
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

No support.

First, there are a super simple workarounds.

Second, it is not THAT difficult, not as confusing as e.g. clones (and they're not removed!). We all know Scratch should never be super-simple-and-easy, or otherwise people would never learn anything and would focus more on silly little things.

There are a lot of resources, and as much as you should let babies fall instead of carrying them all the time (which would make them inable to walk at all), you should let the New Scratchers be confused (on the safe zone), with a little spice of difficulty and a pinch of challenge. There's no harm in letting them (let, not make) get a little safe difficulty. New Scratchers aren't that stupid. Their curiousity would guide them into getting help, by trial and error.

In return for all this difficulty, they will get knowledge, and experience.
And if you tried to remove all the difficulty.. Instead, you will get rid of the learning experience. And no doubt, makes them, the New Scratchers, lazier, or even dumber. Thanks to difficulty and challenge, humans have evolved. Thanks to them, we are as smart as now.

DaSpudLord
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

No support as per above.


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Blank1234
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Econinja wrote:

No support, it's too easy to understand.
New Scratchers probably know that 0 does not equal to 1, or 7 > 1 is true.

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dude341
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Bump
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In August, YouTube are planning to remove sub counts everywhere and replace them with abbreivated ones. This is especially a problem for small creators, and most content creators want viewers to be aware of their full sub count as it creates a sense of community, we need to stop this.
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Zekrom01
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Suggestion: "true" and "false" booleans!

Semi-support, there are several workarounds, but this would make things easier too.

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