Should there be Cash blocks in Scratch?

julianandwill

Do you think there should be Cash blocks in Scratch, like blocks relating to money. REAL money. Like you could ask for $5 IN SCRATCH.
Here's some block ideas:

ask for [$ v] [5] and wait :: operators

This would come with a yes or no button asking to pay
for $5. The drop down list is for selecting currency.

when [$ v] [5] payed :: operators hat

All the blocks under this will be ran if the amount of money is payed.
It should use PayPal to send money.
Please discuss here.
Please support!

Supporters:
julianandwill

Semi-supporters:
Zarlog

No Support:
scrooge100
PrincessPanda_test
DaSpudLord
TheMonsterOfTheDeep
Teriffictastic
Just_Ciaran
Monstermash3
Cream_E_Cookie
Econinja
scrooge200

Last edited by julianandwill (Aug. 20, 2015 04:43:11)

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scrooge100

This system could be abused. No support.
Also, most people who use scratch are KIDS. They don't have a pay-pal account

Last edited by scrooge100 (Aug. 20, 2015 02:18:22)

PrincessPanda_test_

No support. Scratch is for educational use, not commercial.

monstermash3

What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.

EDIT-2: Also, I'm not sure about the currency selector. Maybe it should convert the selected currency into all other currencies so that if someone was viewing a project that asked for money of a currency they didn't use, they could put in money in their own currency equal to the money it asks for in the creator's currency. Otherwise it would be a bit of discrimination.

Last edited by monstermash3 (Aug. 20, 2015 02:27:29)

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julianandwill

monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.

I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.

Last edited by julianandwill (Aug. 20, 2015 02:25:38)

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Feel [proud v] of [yourself v] :: operators cap

Sorry if I get annoying with bumps. It's probably the kumquats messing up my brain.

DaSpudLord

scrooge100 wrote:
This system could be abused. No support.
Also, most people who use scratch are KIDS. They don't have a pay-pal account

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:
No support. Scratch is for educational use, not commercial.

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monstermash3

julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.

People could still look inside and click the script, though.

(Swallowed by an evil kumquat who was just taking a walk in the neighborhood of evil kumquats when they saw a garage sale where they bought a plate which they used to eat but they discovered that it leaked and they went to get their money back but the sale was over so they went in the house but the door was locked so they got their key but it didn't fit so they went home to use the key on the right door which was their own door and then they decided to swallow a signature for no reason.)

julianandwill

monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.

I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.

Wanna help make the longest Scratch movie ever? Go here - https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/235554/

When you [have no idea v] :: events hat
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Feel [proud v] of [yourself v] :: operators cap

Sorry if I get annoying with bumps. It's probably the kumquats messing up my brain.

monstermash3

julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.
removed extra quote
I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.

But what about remixes? If there was a non-editable script…

(Swallowed by an evil kumquat who was just taking a walk in the neighborhood of evil kumquats when they saw a garage sale where they bought a plate which they used to eat but they discovered that it leaked and they went to get their money back but the sale was over so they went in the house but the door was locked so they got their key but it didn't fit so they went home to use the key on the right door which was their own door and then they decided to swallow a signature for no reason.)

TheMonsterOfTheDeep

This won't work because Scratch projects are shared under the CC license - they have to be completely open-source and anybody can use the content.

Ergo, somebody could create a remix and just remove all the cash requirements.

So no support.

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julianandwill

monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.
removed extra quote
I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.
But what about remixes? If there was a non-editable script…

Still, won't be able…

Wanna help make the longest Scratch movie ever? Go here - https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/235554/

When you [have no idea v] :: events hat
Be all like [ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯] :: motion
Feel [proud v] of [yourself v] :: operators cap

Sorry if I get annoying with bumps. It's probably the kumquats messing up my brain.

monstermash3

julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.
removed extra quote
I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.
But what about remixes? If there was a non-editable script…
Still, won't be able…

But that would not really be fair! It would be partly locking remixes.

Preventing remixes is rejected by the sticky. “Imagine, Program, Share”. Since in sharing, others are free to remix, so having a non-editable script would not be fair!

(Swallowed by an evil kumquat who was just taking a walk in the neighborhood of evil kumquats when they saw a garage sale where they bought a plate which they used to eat but they discovered that it leaked and they went to get their money back but the sale was over so they went in the house but the door was locked so they got their key but it didn't fit so they went home to use the key on the right door which was their own door and then they decided to swallow a signature for no reason.)

julianandwill

monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.
removed extra quote
I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.
But what about remixes? If there was a non-editable script…
Still, won't be able…
But that would not really be fair! It would be partly locking remixes.

Preventing remixes is rejected by the sticky. “Imagine, Program, Share”. Since in sharing, others are free to remix, so having a non-editable script would not be fair!

Hmm… I forgot. Well maybe some other way?

Wanna help make the longest Scratch movie ever? Go here - https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/235554/

When you [have no idea v] :: events hat
Be all like [ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯] :: motion
Feel [proud v] of [yourself v] :: operators cap

Sorry if I get annoying with bumps. It's probably the kumquats messing up my brain.

monstermash3

julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
julianandwill wrote:
monstermash3 wrote:
What's PayPal?

Semi-support. This is used in many games, but this is kind of pointless because people could look inside and click the script.

Also, I think this should be in Control or Sensing, not Operators.

EDIT: Or maybe it could be its own Cash category.
I know, I thought it would look good in green. It should be like cloud data, you can't edit it in someone's project. So support? PayPal is a company that can be used to send to people that have PayPal accounts. For example, donating money.
People could still look inside and click the script, though.
removed extra quote
I know. Like I said, it should be like cloud data, you can't edit it or click it. Scratchers only, too.
But what about remixes? If there was a non-editable script…
Still, won't be able…
But that would not really be fair! It would be partly locking remixes.

Preventing remixes is rejected by the sticky. “Imagine, Program, Share”. Since in sharing, others are free to remix, so having a non-editable script would not be fair!
Hmm… I forgot. Well maybe some other way?

What other way is there?

I guess it would be fair to, like cloud data, make it so you cannot edit/click scripts that include asking for cash in someone else's project, but then you could remix it to remove the cash blocks!

How else would we prevent that?

I don't know if this would be possible…

(Swallowed by an evil kumquat who was just taking a walk in the neighborhood of evil kumquats when they saw a garage sale where they bought a plate which they used to eat but they discovered that it leaked and they went to get their money back but the sale was over so they went in the house but the door was locked so they got their key but it didn't fit so they went home to use the key on the right door which was their own door and then they decided to swallow a signature for no reason.)

Just_Ciaran

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:
No support. Scratch is for educational use, not commercial.

TheMonsterOfTheDeep wrote:
This won't work because Scratch projects are shared under the CC license - they have to be completely open-source and anybody can use the content.

Ergo, somebody could create a remix and just remove all the cash requirements.

So no support.

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Last edited by Just_Ciaran (Aug. 20, 2015 02:54:26)

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monstermash3

Okay, here's my “logical” reasoning why this wouldn't work.
1. You could make it not editable or clickable in someone else's project.
2. However, someone could still remix it and remove the cash blocks.
3. Unless you made it not editable in a remix.
4. But that's partly locking remixes.
5. Which is rejected.
Therefore, no support.

(Swallowed by an evil kumquat who was just taking a walk in the neighborhood of evil kumquats when they saw a garage sale where they bought a plate which they used to eat but they discovered that it leaked and they went to get their money back but the sale was over so they went in the house but the door was locked so they got their key but it didn't fit so they went home to use the key on the right door which was their own door and then they decided to swallow a signature for no reason.)

Zarlog

I like this idea, but there are problems that could be encountered:

-Most people on the Scratch site are between ages 8 and 16, so they aren't going to have a Paypal account.

-It could be abused, meaning people could make in app (or project) purchases. (but this could be reportable…)
-Scratch is a social media site for kids whose parents don't allow them to go on social media, so using it to get money would be wrong…
-Scratch is for sharing, not advertising to make money.

Again, I really like the idea of this, but there are still some problems

. However, semi-support for now ,since it could be improved.

EDIT: Another idea: How about the cash value can't be set any higher that $5? Otherwise, someone could put in “$1000,000” for the cash value.

Last edited by Zarlog (Aug. 20, 2015 03:21:09)

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julianandwill

Zarlog wrote:
I like this idea, but there are problems that could be encountered:

-Most people on the Scratch site are between ages 8 and 16, so they aren't going to have a Paypal account.
-It could be abused, meaning people could make in app (or project) purchases. (but this could be reportable…)
-Scratch is a social media site for kids whose parents don't allow them to go on social media, so using it to get money would be wrong…
-Scratch is for sharing, not advertising to make money.

Again, I really like the idea of this, but there are still some problems . However, semi-support for now ,since it could be improved.

EDIT: Another idea: How about the cash value can't be set any higher that $5? Otherwise, someone could put in “$1000,000” for the cash value.

Ok. Thanks for the ideas!

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Feel [proud v] of [yourself v] :: operators cap

Sorry if I get annoying with bumps. It's probably the kumquats messing up my brain.

Econinja

Scratch will always be free. No money will ever be charged. That's why I don't support.
(and see other posts above)

Last edited by Econinja (Aug. 20, 2015 03:44:00)

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scrooge200

scrooge100 wrote:
This system could be abused. No support.
Also, most people who use scratch are KIDS. They don't have a pay-pal account

I have no idea what to put here

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