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Vetpetmon
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

cheddargirl wrote:

TheMonsterOfTheDeep wrote:

It is, in a way, disrespectful itself to say “no recolors” on a project.

The fact is that if you don't want somebody to recolor your art, you shouldn't share it on Scratch because as long as a person gives credit and makes a distinguishable change, it is allowed on Scratch.

joshuaho wrote:

Recolorings are actually allowed. When a user recolors something, it counts as a change as they are changing the colors. So, as long as credit is given, there's no reason why a user can't recolor another project.

As said above, all projects shared on the website can be remixed. If you don't want that to happen, then don't share them on the website.
^These two posts sums up the policy quite nicely.

A lot of users think that additional permission is required to remix a project and that they can put up things in notes such as “no remixing/”no recolors"/etc. rules. The reality is that this that this practice goes against the remix policy (let alone violates the CC license that is automatically put on projects when they are shared), and we have sometimes unshared projects whose notes go against this policy with a notification not to discourage remixing.

We're not one to shy away from art on the Scratch website or from Scratch being used as an art software, but what you are aiming for is an online community where art is simply displayed not shared. The Scratch website isn't that community, and trying to change an existing online website (Scratch or otherwise) to fit your needs isn't sensible, it just doesn't work that way. There are other websites out there that better fit this purpose, you just need to search for it.

I have to agree, about there are sites outside of Scratch where you can get a proper (C) on your artwork to protect it, but, sadly, the only site I know is Deviant art, but DON'T go there. It has +18 content, but to avoid it, you need to look in the right places.
gracewebsite
Scratcher
60 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

cheddargirl wrote:

TheMonsterOfTheDeep wrote:

It is, in a way, disrespectful itself to say “no recolors” on a project.

The fact is that if you don't want somebody to recolor your art, you shouldn't share it on Scratch because as long as a person gives credit and makes a distinguishable change, it is allowed on Scratch.

joshuaho wrote:

Recolorings are actually allowed. When a user recolors something, it counts as a change as they are changing the colors. So, as long as credit is given, there's no reason why a user can't recolor another project.

As said above, all projects shared on the website can be remixed. If you don't want that to happen, then don't share them on the website.
^These two posts sums up the policy quite nicely.

A lot of users think that additional permission is required to remix a project and that they can put up things in notes such as “no remixing/”no recolors"/etc. rules. The reality is that this that this practice goes against the remix policy (let alone violates the CC license that is automatically put on projects when they are shared), and we have sometimes unshared projects whose notes go against this policy with a notification not to discourage remixing.

We're not one to shy away from art on the Scratch website or from Scratch being used as an art software, but what you are aiming for is an online community where art is simply displayed not shared. The Scratch website isn't that community, and trying to change an existing online website (Scratch or otherwise) to fit your needs isn't sensible, it just doesn't work that way. There are other websites out there that better fit this purpose, you just need to search for it.


anyone can remix anything!
Stealthstar101
Scratcher
68 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Personally, I do not believe art theft is a very big problem on scratch. Sure, we have the few stolen sprites here and there, and we can track those down.
cheddargirl
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Vetpetmon wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

TheMonsterOfTheDeep wrote:

It is, in a way, disrespectful itself to say “no recolors” on a project.

The fact is that if you don't want somebody to recolor your art, you shouldn't share it on Scratch because as long as a person gives credit and makes a distinguishable change, it is allowed on Scratch.

joshuaho wrote:

Recolorings are actually allowed. When a user recolors something, it counts as a change as they are changing the colors. So, as long as credit is given, there's no reason why a user can't recolor another project.

As said above, all projects shared on the website can be remixed. If you don't want that to happen, then don't share them on the website.
^These two posts sums up the policy quite nicely.

A lot of users think that additional permission is required to remix a project and that they can put up things in notes such as “no remixing/”no recolors"/etc. rules. The reality is that this that this practice goes against the remix policy (let alone violates the CC license that is automatically put on projects when they are shared), and we have sometimes unshared projects whose notes go against this policy with a notification not to discourage remixing.

We're not one to shy away from art on the Scratch website or from Scratch being used as an art software, but what you are aiming for is an online community where art is simply displayed not shared. The Scratch website isn't that community, and trying to change an existing online website (Scratch or otherwise) to fit your needs isn't sensible, it just doesn't work that way. There are other websites out there that better fit this purpose, you just need to search for it.

I have to agree, about there are sites outside of Scratch where you can get a proper (C) on your artwork to protect it, but, sadly, the only site I know is Deviant art, but DON'T go there. It has +18 content, but to avoid it, you need to look in the right places.
There are other websites out there, dA just happens to be the most popular because it's the one most often talked about. Kind of like how Etsy is usually the first website that comes to mind for those who want to open a market for handmade items. But I digress.

There are easy ways to put a © license on a work other than dA. Besides other alternative art websites (such as the Newgrounds Art portal, ArtRift, etc.), most pic sharing sites require that you own the pics you upload anyway and have commenting options. Users can also publish independently by making their own site and sharing there. (A tip for the budding artist: The latter happens to be the more professional option if you're seriously considering art as a career).
mopar
Scratcher
14 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.
EllaBellaZue
Scratcher
76 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
Cream_E_Cookie
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Rejected by the stickies:
Banning minor remixes (recolors too)
cheddargirl
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.
PrincessPanda_test_
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?
cheddargirl
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?
Same thing.
Chainmanner
Scratcher
100+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

It's Scratch. Recoloring is nothing but a minor annoyance, and so is sanctioned on Scratch because everything can be remixed. As long as credit is given, disallowing it goes against the freedom to remix.

Which means that art theft is prohibited (so if you see it you can report it without consequence) because it's a duplicate of the original without any credit being given.

Last edited by Chainmanner (Aug. 20, 2015 21:01:57)

mopar
Scratcher
14 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Chainmanner wrote:

It's Scratch. Recoloring is nothing but a minor annoyance, and so is sanctioned on Scratch because everything can be remixed. As long as credit is given, disallowing it goes against the freedom to remix.

Which means that art theft is prohibited (so if you see it you can report it without consequence) because it's a duplicate of the original without any credit being given.
Though if credit is given, its allowed.
Firedrake969
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

mopar wrote:

Chainmanner wrote:

It's Scratch. Recoloring is nothing but a minor annoyance, and so is sanctioned on Scratch because everything can be remixed. As long as credit is given, disallowing it goes against the freedom to remix.

Which means that art theft is prohibited (so if you see it you can report it without consequence) because it's a duplicate of the original without any credit being given.
Though if credit is given, its allowed.
You do have to make at least one change, though.
mopar
Scratcher
14 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Firedrake969 wrote:

mopar wrote:

Chainmanner wrote:

It's Scratch. Recoloring is nothing but a minor annoyance, and so is sanctioned on Scratch because everything can be remixed. As long as credit is given, disallowing it goes against the freedom to remix.

Which means that art theft is prohibited (so if you see it you can report it without consequence) because it's a duplicate of the original without any credit being given.
Though if credit is given, its allowed.
You do have to make at least one change, though.
Yea.
mopar
Scratcher
14 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Recolors are permitted by law and under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. I hope this clears things up.
PrincessPanda_test_
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

cheddargirl wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?
Same thing.
So that's why it was marked NFE?
cheddargirl
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?
Same thing.
So that's why it was marked NFE?
Yep. But we're thinking about taking a harder stance (ie, censor instead of NFE) since they make those who do recolors feel unwelcome.
mopar
Scratcher
14 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

cheddargirl wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?
Same thing.
So that's why it was marked NFE?
Yep. But we're thinking about taking a harder stance (ie, censor instead of NFE) since they make those who do recolors feel unwelcome.
I agree.
Firedrake969
Scratcher
1000+ posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

Second.
EllaBellaZue
Scratcher
76 posts

A Rule For No-Recolors And Art Theft

PrincessPanda_test_ wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

EllaBellaZue wrote:

mopar wrote:

This should help things:
Recolours are permitted by law in every country because every project posted on Scratch is under the Creative Commons license. The only way to revoke this license is to remove the project from Scratch. The user has in no way forced the named parties off the site, and anyone is within their rights to recolour as they wish. Following around recolourers and nagging them is wrong (maybe classed as stalking if you please), and recolourers are within their right to recolour.

It's nnice to here your opinion , and you should check this out , it explains the creative commons license and as well as many other things. https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/71009618/
That's an anti-recolor project. It doesn't explain the CC license correctly.

What about https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/70362686/ ?

That's a project I've seen :3 It explains it pretty well.

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