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WigglyJoey
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

There is some static sounds in the xylo1 loop, this may mean something I guess.

King of the Page.

Last edited by WigglyJoey (Aug. 14, 2025 01:03:18)

Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

WigglyJoey wrote:

There is some static sounds in the xylo1 loop, this may mean something I guess.

King of the Page.
Xylo3 has static too
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

We should probably find someone who’s a musician and ask them what instrument is used in xylo tracks 1-3 because I’m pretty sure those are NOT xylophones.
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Xylo2 is 100% NOT a xylophone *drops gavel* Court closed. This song is being sent to the “wrong name” dungeon.

Last edited by Scratch_Cat_Coder8 (Aug. 14, 2025 03:48:43)

Fun_Cupcake_i81
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Yeah, I've always thought it sounded more like a vibraphone or maybe a celesta?
And you're right about the Hanna Barbera thing! Because yesterday I was watching a Scratch animation and my dad said that he recognized some sounds from the Flintstones but that they were probably public domain by now.
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Fun_Cupcake_i81 wrote:

Yeah, I've always thought it sounded more like a vibraphone or maybe a celesta?
And you're right about the Hanna Barbera thing! Because yesterday I was watching a Scratch animation and my dad said that he recognized some sounds from the Flintstones but that they were probably public domain by now.
They were sold on a SFX CD (I’m sure abt that part) that is royalty free i believe. Also xylo2 isn’t a vibraphone either but I’ll check a celesta.

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Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Update: Xylo2 is neither a celesta. A celesta sounds too bell-y and xylo2 sounds more similar to a toy piano.
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

does anyone else hate the silvergunner minions (especially the ones with the scratch Music loops)? Especially the ones who spam random voices/dead memes over music?
okn888
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

is there any way to extract the metadata from the 2.0 songs like we did with the 1.4 ones, or is that not possible
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

okn888 wrote:

is there any way to extract the metadata from the 2.0 songs like we did with the 1.4 ones, or is that not possible
Unfortunately, not possible.
We were lucky that the 1.4 music loops were all .mp3 (as scratch 1.4 has .wav sounds too) and the reason why is because .wav is HORRIBLE at holding metadata and it scrubs metadata clean of every identifiable information aside from audio settings and information (ex: channels, quality, etc) and Scratch 2.0 and onwards made .wav the standard audio type, basically making metadata impossible to get from the sound library today (aside from 1.x versions)

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okn888
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

okn888 wrote:

is there any way to extract the metadata from the 2.0 songs like we did with the 1.4 ones, or is that not possible
Unfortunately, not possible.
We were lucky that the 1.4 music loops were all .mp3 (as scratch 1.4 has .wav sounds too) and the reason why is because .wav is HORRIBLE at holding metadata and it scrubs metadata clean of every identifiable information aside from audio settings and information (ex: channels, quality, etc) and Scratch 2.0 and onwards made .wav the standard audio type, basically making metadata impossible to get from the sound library today (aside from 1.x versions)

Darn, so the dance songs will be much more difficult to find than I thought

Last edited by okn888 (Aug. 15, 2025 19:45:59)

Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

okn888 wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

okn888 wrote:

is there any way to extract the metadata from the 2.0 songs like we did with the 1.4 ones, or is that not possible
Unfortunately, not possible.
We were lucky that the 1.4 music loops were all .mp3 (as scratch 1.4 has .wav sounds too) and the reason why is because .wav is HORRIBLE at holding metadata and it scrubs metadata clean of every identifiable information aside from audio settings and information (ex: channels, quality, etc) and Scratch 2.0 and onwards made .wav the standard audio type, basically making metadata impossible to get from the sound library today (aside from 1.x versions)

Darn, so the dance songs will be much more difficult to find than I thought
They may be one of the easiest ones left though, as the remaining ones have little to no useful info tied to them and in the credits for 2.0 more people are mentioned (who some of those could be the composers of the dance tracks) but I need to find the right search query to get that exact person to show up and also since I did my finding in the apple notes app, half of my work was not saved so I need to go back in and compare the 1.x and 2.0 credits again.
WigglyJoey
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

okn888 wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

okn888 wrote:

is there any way to extract the metadata from the 2.0 songs like we did with the 1.4 ones, or is that not possible
Unfortunately, not possible.
We were lucky that the 1.4 music loops were all .mp3 (as scratch 1.4 has .wav sounds too) and the reason why is because .wav is HORRIBLE at holding metadata and it scrubs metadata clean of every identifiable information aside from audio settings and information (ex: channels, quality, etc) and Scratch 2.0 and onwards made .wav the standard audio type, basically making metadata impossible to get from the sound library today (aside from 1.x versions)

Darn, so the dance songs will be much more difficult to find than I thought
the same person you talked to said this once

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

Nope, it’s probably as easy as a hop (scroll down) skip (use contact us or make a topic about it on the forums which I’ve done) and a jump (wait for a response) to see if it is made or not. Xylo 1 and 2 are the true hardest. No origin, no artist, no title, there is NOTHING a connected to it aside from the fact that they were gotten from a CD ripper website which is even worse cause we have to FIND the CD.

Ninja'd by scratch_cat_coder8

Last edited by WigglyJoey (Aug. 15, 2025 19:53:12)

Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Before I start of this list, I would like to mention PLEASE check the dates of the leads. There have been some false leads relating to the dance tracks shared (I am no exception) where the videos that are “leads” are younger than the release date of the dance tracks (2014 and 2015)

The list of identifiable information from the audio’s metadata and sources (so no one has to constantly check the metadata). If I missed anything, please let me know! Big thanks to everyone who helped piece together the metadata and find the loops!

Color Key
Green - Loop already confirmed as identified & found in ACTUAL full
Lime - Loop has already been confirmed as identified
Orange - Loop is yet to be identified with the given information
Chocolate - Loop is theorized; meaning that with the given information and history, it is left to be rumored.
Red - Loop lacks obvious metadata or source information; basically meaning the information is useful for looking in a same place if a lead is found, but not a physical lead for said lead.
Dark Red - Loop lacks highly useful or any metadata or source information, making it hard to find.
Dark Cyan - The name of the scratch version that the category of loops came from

Scratch 1.4 Loops
Cave - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song Name; Cave. Comment; 000004C8 0000007B 00004262

Drip Drop - Important metadata notes: Unused name; DripDrop. Comment; 00000000 00000210 00000511 000000000000F05F 00000000 00005344 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

Drum - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song Name; Drum

Drum Machine - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song Name; Drum Machine

Drum Set 1 & 2 - Important metadata notes: Artist; Mike Fleder

Eggs - Important source notes: “Eggs” came from a project titled “Carrots and eggs” and is named after the project’s name. The song’s actual name is “Music” by Marcell Balaton/bmarcell (the project creator)

Garden - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song Name; Town. Comment; 0000013D 00000022 00001926 00

Guitar Chords 1 & 2 - Important metadata notes: Artist; Scott Berdahl

Hip Hop - Important metadata notes: Artist; Loopmaster’s. Important source notes: Despite the artist being loopmaster, the way it was found was via samplenet. It’s samplenet song name is Hip Hop Beat 100 mp3( k) and the actual name (according to SonicFTP) is hh_bonusbeats_100_01

Human Beatbox 1 - Important metadata notes: Artist; Samplenet. Important source notes: Despite the artist being samplenet, it was actually found in an album titled The Human Sampler: Loops by MMP Music LTD, implying that it was ripped from the album and put onto samplenet.

Human Beatbox 2 - Important metadata notes: Unused name; Beatbox. Comment; 00000000 00000210 0000054B 000000000000EDE5 00000000 00005273 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

Jungle - Important metadata notes: Artist; Samplenet. Despite the song coming up as Swirly Jungle mp3(132 k) on samplenet, it’s actually BigKat as SonicFTP provides the music download links for Samplenet and it is likely Samplenet changed BigKat’s name to Swirly Jungle mp3(132 k) instead.

Medieval 1 & 2 - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song names; Death (Medieval 1) and MyLove (Medieval 2). Comment; 00000B6A 000003AF 00004CB9 (Medieval 1) 0000006F 0000001B 00000652 00 (Medieval 2) Important source notes: Early on in the search, a song called Underwater trance was discovered to be a very, very similar song to Medieval 2 (MyLove) by Beau Silver too with the only difference being it’s extended and has marimbas. Eventually the full marimba-less version used for scratch was provided by Beau Silver and a third version (which appears to be a very, very early demo) containing only the marimbas was found too. Medieval 2/MyLove is currently the only song confirmed to have the most versions created.

Techno 1 & 2 - Important metadata notes: Title; 02_gyrow (Techno1) 01_pralax (Techno2) Artist; gloob(ic) Album; Mass Ave Sessions Comment; 00000648 000000EA 0000F646 00 (Techno1) 00001083 000000C5 000088CD 00 (Techno2) Important source notes: The reason why these loops are listed as Lime instead of Green is due to the fact that they are NOT the original versions. The album (mass ave sessions) has the first 16 tracks being mixes of selected improvisations with the rest being the full versions, and pralax and gyrow are mixes, meaning that their full extended version should be somewhere, right? Well they used to. Gloob(ic) had a album called the “Improvisations Vault” which had all of their raw unedited improvisations (songs) and it used a public file folder (similar to the one SampleNet used) to keep all the songs. Unfortunately, it was closed (as it was from MIT and gloob(ic) had split up) and there are no saved versions of the improvisations, making the true original versions of Techno1 and 2 lost media.

Triumph - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver. Song name; WinBattle. Comment; 00000AD0 000000CB 00003E00

Xylo 1 & 2 - Important metadata notes: Comment; AltoMP3 (YuanSoft) Important source notes: For a while, it was a high probability that Xylo 1 & 2 was ripped via CD, as AltoMP3 maker was a CD ripper, but it was also discovered later on to also be a MP3, WAV, and OGG converter, and with the fact that Scratch 1.x used MP3 files for the music library, it opened the door for a new lead. Along with that, YuanSoft is the now defunct website for the application’s installation, and YuanSoft is likely named as a parody of Microsoft with Micro being replaced by the creator’s last name (which is Yuan according to a source)

Xylo 3 - Important metadata notes: Unused title; xylo3. Comment; 00000000 00000210 000004B0 0000000000032C40 00000000 0001229D 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

Xylo 4 - Important metadata notes: Artist; Beau Silver

Scratch 2.0 Loops
Cymbal Echo - Important source notes: Cymbal echo is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is Hippie Top.

Dance Around, Celebrate, Chill out, Funky, Head nod, Magic, Slow mo, Snare, and Space - Important source notes: Magic and around are yet to be confirmed, but in Episode 2 of the Scratch Video Updates, it was mentioned by ex-scratch team member (ST member at the time of the video) that Connor made the new dance tracks (as the video was posted in 2015 PRIOR to magic and around). It is yet to be confirmed if there are any extended versions or who Connor truly is, but this is all we know for now. (Update) He used to have a sprite in the sprite library (as confirmed in the Popping: Chain Reaction project which was made by an ST member) and the name of the sprite appears to be his initials (C.M.) along with him being mentioned to be a “musician” in the notes and credits.

Drive Around - Important source notes: Drive Around is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is Drive the Bouncer.

Drum funky - Important source notes: Drum funky is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is FunkSoulSista.

Drum jam - Important source notes: Drum jam is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is NSYNC Freaked.

Drum Satellite - Important source notes: Drum Satellite is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is Fast Satellite.

Elec Piano Loop - Important source notes: No traces of this song was found in the OLPC sound library (library credited in the project it was found in) and with the fact that Ericr (Scratch team member/ex-scratch team member at the time of Elec Piano’s creation) has a Rhodes piano (including a project with recordings of it) and the recordings line up with the quality of the elec piano loop’s quality is a making the leading theory that Ericr wrote and composed Elec Piano Loop.

Kick back - Important source notes: Kick back is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is Benda Bzounce.

Odesong - Important source notes: Odesong is one of the snippets from the song Ode to Code created for CodeWeekEU by Brendan Dominic Paolini.

Scratchy beat - Important source notes: Scratchy beat is a song in a series of songs by Brian Transeau created for the OLPC library. The link to the album of his songs is on page 1. The song’s actual name is Scratchim.

Scratch 3.0 Loops
Every loop from 3.0 has been identified and found! :)

Q&A
Q: Why are the Scratch 2.0 and 3.0 tracks lacking metadata?
A: When Scratch changed to 2.0, they standardized every sound library sound to .wav, and .wav is notorious for wiping extra metadata such as artists and album names clean, leaving a blank space for where the metadata would be. Because of that, it caused the 2.0 search to entirely rely on sources from scratch and the 3.0 search to rely on the Scratch team credits and a GitHub list containing every artist and their corresponding song.

Q: How is it correct that Andro1t never made the 2.0 dance tracks?
A: The dance tracks from 2.0 were released shortly after 2.0’s release and judging from numerous sources, it can be concluded that Andro1t never made the dance tracks as 1: the song “Dance” by Andro1t is a far lower quality than the dance tracks on scratch, and 2: The final batch of tracks to be released in the 2.0 dance series (Around & Magic) were released on June 5th, 2015, whilst “Dance” by Andro1t released sometime in either 2018 or 2019.

Q: Why can’t the credits be used for 1.4 and 2.0?
A: The reason why is because the credits page was only updated to include the music artists for 3.0 and every previous snapshot of the credits before 3.0 only show scratch team members (which some could be the artists for the dance tracks but that is yet to be proven), although the people who were sent off to find the loops for 1.0 WERE credited when scratch released but contacting them is yet a current idea.

Q: How can I help?
A: You can help by looking for sample websites before 2019, check people associated or on the ST that could be a lead, check dates to make sure they are accurate and align with the scratch versions, and make sure to check if something is a hoax or not.

Q: How was it discovered that Progressive Arts Alliance could’ve been the source?
A: It was pointed out that there was a reoccurring logo in almost every dance sprite in the sprite library which then looking at earlier more detailed versions of the models showed text that appeared to say “Progressive Arts Alliance” and from there it was discovered they had a hip-hop course with music and then it was discovered they were in a partnership with scratch a decade ago which is now making them the leading theory for the dance tracks. (As of September 28th 2025, this theory has been debunked and it is confirmed that the dance tracks were made by Connor.)

Last edited by Scratch_Cat_Coder8 (Oct. 1, 2025 00:43:51)

Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

bump (I find it kinda crazy that this topic is one of the few topics on questions about scratch that would have duplicate topics of this topic be considered dupes)

Last edited by Scratch_Cat_Coder8 (Aug. 20, 2025 16:51:03)

suswhopper123
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Hello.
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

suswhopper123 wrote:

Hello.
If you don’t have anything related to this topic then

DONT POST!
suswhopper123
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

suswhopper123 wrote:

Hello.
If you don’t have anything related to this topic then

DONT POST!
aw man i don't have anything related but i js wanna interact :((
Scratch_Cat_Coder8
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

suswhopper123 wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

suswhopper123 wrote:

Hello.
If you don’t have anything related to this topic then

DONT POST!
aw man i don't have anything related but i js wanna interact :((
well hello back then

But also like why interact here specifically
suswhopper123
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Where do the Music Loops Come From? [UPDATED]

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

suswhopper123 wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

suswhopper123 wrote:

Hello.
If you don’t have anything related to this topic then

DONT POST!
aw man i don't have anything related but i js wanna interact :((
well hello back then

But also like why interact here specifically
bcz nobody seems to reply with more loops and stuff.

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