I understand that running Scratch to be safe and enjoyable is a group effort. However, I do not like Scratch users with less experience than me breathing down my neck and telling me I can't have fun on a website that isn't even that serious anyways.

I know that Scratch Team members have said not to mini-mod in the past but I think we need a formal statement to discourage mini-modding. And what I mean by mini-modding is stuff like excessive bulletined lists and constant stalking/warnings from someone who isn't on the Scratch Team. Like bro you're 12, calm down

Semi-support. Although stalking someone with warnings and stuff would be annoying and in some places rude, it’s also annoying when someone spams “WHY SPRUNKI BAN????” a million times in QAS because no one ever told them sprunki was banned.

And sometimes some people do need mini-modding after getting into an extremely childish argument with someone because they like pineapple on pizza and proceeding to disregard the CG’s like it’s a optional piece of homework

Edit: are you literally suggesting this because you got mildly offended that someone told you not to use l33tspeak because it could come off as mocking/rude?

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

Semi-support. Although stalking someone with warnings and stuff would be annoying and in some places rude, it’s also annoying when someone spams “WHY SPRUNKI BAN????” a million times in QAS because no one ever told them sprunki was banned.

And sometimes some people do need mini-modding after getting into an extremely childish argument with someone because they like pineapple on pizza and proceeding to disregard the CG’s like it’s a optional piece of homework

Edit: are you literally suggesting this because you got mildly offended that someone told you not to use l33tspeak because it could come off as mocking/rude?

There was a situation last year where I had to literally take time out of my day to report someone to Contact Us because they kept mini-modding EVERY project I made. Literally why there’s only 7 of them on my profile right now because there used to be so much more. And while I agree it can be begrudgingly beneficial sometimes, you don’t need it over minor things.

And yeah.. the l33tspeak situation contributed because it just reminded me how much I despise mini-modding. Especially if you have the nerve to mini mod and be wrong on top of that. (ex: accusing me of spreading misinformation).

I think that ‘Mini-Modding’ has more benefits then downsides. It really does make moderation easier.

That said, it should only be done nicely. For example, “I think this would belong in QaS. May I ask a moderator to move it?”

EDIT: I don't think I really understood what the OP meant by Mini-Modding.

Bitebite12 wrote:

I think that ‘Mini-Modding’ has more benefits then downsides. It really does make moderation easier.

That said, it should only be done nicely. For example, “I think this would belong in QaS. May I ask a moderator to move it?”

Yes! This is the mini-modding I wanna see! Not someone giving me a bullet point list and essay with an introduction, thesis statement, several body paragraphs, and a conclusion about why I can't use a specific song in my projects.

cambegonefr wrote:

Bitebite12 wrote:

I think that ‘Mini-Modding’ has more benefits then downsides. It really does make moderation easier.

That said, it should only be done nicely. For example, “I think this would belong in QaS. May I ask a moderator to move it?”

Yes! This is the mini-modding I wanna see! Not someone giving me a bullet point list and essay with an introduction, thesis statement, several body paragraphs, and a conclusion about why I can't use a specific song in my projects.

now knowing your reasoning for this topic, I support. an entire documentary on necroposting is hard to digest compared to a simple sentence where it’s bad to necropost cuz it clutters up the front page.

Bitebite12 wrote:

I think that ‘Mini-Modding’ has more benefits then downsides. It really does make moderation easier.

That said, it should only be done nicely. For example, “I think this would belong in QaS. May I ask a moderator to move it?”

I really don't think this is helpful at all on the forums. Not only does it not add anything of value to the discussion, it can also derail the whole topic. Someone new to the forums might ask what that means and then you have to explain it to them and then who knows. It's best to simply just report the topic and let the moderators deal with it. Even if you are nice with it, it still might be confusing and doesn't add any value.

Though, I do agree that if your post is constructive and you sort of tack it on at the end, that would be okay.

cambegonefr wrote:

Yes! This is the mini-modding I wanna see! Not someone giving me a bullet point list and essay with an introduction, thesis statement, several body paragraphs, and a conclusion about why I can't use a specific song in my projects.

That is not mini-modding. As long as it's informative and addresses (in your example, why use a specific song), then that's constructive posting. Mini-modding is acting like you're a moderator, such as by saying “don't spam” or “reported to be closed” or “this should be in help with scripts”. Providing information about official statements (such as from TOLORS) is not mini-modding.

So with that being said, yes, I fully support your suggestion for the reason at the very beginning of my post.

KangaCoder wrote:

cambegonefr wrote:

Yes! This is the mini-modding I wanna see! Not someone giving me a bullet point list and essay with an introduction, thesis statement, several body paragraphs, and a conclusion about why I can't use a specific song in my projects.

That is not mini-modding. As long as it's informative and addresses (in your example, why use a specific song), then that's constructive posting. Mini-modding is acting like you're a moderator, such as by saying “don't spam” or “reported to be closed” or “this should be in help with scripts”. Providing information about official statements (such as from TOLORS) is not mini-modding.

So with that being said, yes, I fully support your suggestion for the reason at the very beginning of my post.

No, you don’t understand. I get it one time but repeatedly doing it (which it was the user last year did to me) is irritating. It got so bad last year I got banned for retaliating, which is why I had to go via Contact Us. And I’m still sour about that, thank god they understood my point and unbanned me.

cambegonefr wrote:

No, you don’t understand. I get it one time but repeatedly doing it (which it was the user last year did to me) is irritating. It got so bad last year I got banned for retaliating, which is why I had to go via Contact Us. And I’m still sour about that, thank god they understood my point and unbanned me.

Well, I mean, I do agree with you: mini-modding once or a dozen times, I equally find it both frustrating and adding nothing of value.

I see a lot of these posts about formally discouraging something. But what do you mean?

not-k7e wrote:

I see a lot of these posts about formally discouraging something. But what do you mean?

Somewhere in the rules and guidelines there should be something that discourages mini-modding. Not banning it, but encouraging users to instead report something instead of inserting themselves in a role that isn’t theirs.

cambegonefr wrote:

not-k7e wrote:

I see a lot of these posts about formally discouraging something. But what do you mean?

Somewhere in the rules and guidelines there should be something that discourages mini-modding. Not banning it, but encouraging users to instead report something instead of inserting themselves in a role that isn’t theirs.

I always have the same question whenever a “discourage” suggestion shows up. Does the current “Help keep the site friendly” section of the Community Guidelines not suffice? Probably not, but what could be changed to address mini-modding? What specifically should it say?

Part of the problem is that such a description (at least in the Community Guidelines) would probably need to avoid the phrase “mini-modding” — not only because not everyone knows what it is, but also because I believe it means different things to different people.

Za-Chary wrote:

I always have the same question whenever a “discourage” suggestion shows up. Does the current “Help keep the site friendly” section of the Community Guidelines not suffice? Probably not, but what could be changed to address mini-modding? What specifically should it say?

Part of the problem is that such a description (at least in the Community Guidelines) would probably need to avoid the phrase “mini-modding” — not only because not everyone knows what it is, but also because I believe it means different things to different people.

I already gave an idea

cambegonefr wrote:

Somewhere in the rules and guidelines there should be something that discourages mini-modding. Not banning it, but encouraging users to instead report something instead of inserting themselves in a role that isn’t theirs.

If you need specifics how about something like:

The Scratch Team reviews all reports and takes appropriate action. If a discussion is getting heated or negative, step away and let the Scratch Team handle it. Don't threaten to report someone, just focus on creating and sharing projects, providing constructive feedback, and collaborating with others.

This way, we're not saying “don't mini-mod”, but we're encouraging users to not step into roles that aren't theirs. Just report and move on if something is bothering them, just like I said in my earlier post.

cambegonefr wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

I always have the same question whenever a “discourage” suggestion shows up. Does the current “Help keep the site friendly” section of the Community Guidelines not suffice? Probably not, but what could be changed to address mini-modding? What specifically should it say?

Part of the problem is that such a description (at least in the Community Guidelines) would probably need to avoid the phrase “mini-modding” — not only because not everyone knows what it is, but also because I believe it means different things to different people.

I already gave an idea

cambegonefr wrote:

Somewhere in the rules and guidelines there should be something that discourages mini-modding. Not banning it, but encouraging users to instead report something instead of inserting themselves in a role that isn’t theirs.

If you need specifics how about something like:

The Scratch Team reviews all reports and takes appropriate action. If a discussion is getting heated or negative, step away and let the Scratch Team handle it. Don't threaten to report someone, just focus on creating and sharing projects, providing constructive feedback, and collaborating with others.

This way, we're not saying “don't mini-mod”, but we're encouraging users to not step into roles that aren't theirs. Just report and move on if something is bothering them, just like I said in my earlier post.

this may sound like a stupid thing to say but who will tell who that necroposting is bad? that blockspam is bad? I mean I don’t think there’s an alert for neither but who will tell them not to do it again? like does scratch team make it an actual rule? (because that’s kinda too far)

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

this may sound like a stupid thing to say but who will tell who that necroposting is bad? that blockspam is bad? I mean I don’t think there’s an alert for neither but who will tell them not to do it again? like does scratch team make it an actual rule? (because that’s kinda too far)

Both “necroposting” and “blockspam,” in the right context, are just considered plain ol' spam. The Scratch Team can send alerts for these offenses, and they have before. For the cases where these are not spam, the Scratch Team will not send alerts.

Za-Chary wrote:

Scratch_Cat_Coder8 wrote:

this may sound like a stupid thing to say but who will tell who that necroposting is bad? that blockspam is bad? I mean I don’t think there’s an alert for neither but who will tell them not to do it again? like does scratch team make it an actual rule? (because that’s kinda too far)

Both “necroposting” and “blockspam,” in the right context, are just considered plain ol' spam. The Scratch Team can send alerts for these offenses, and they have before. For the cases where these are not spam, the Scratch Team will not send alerts.

Exactly. It’s not the community’s place to handle that. That’s why the report button exists.

Personally, I don't think that going on someone's profile and giving a polite advice on forum etiquette is a bad thing.
For example, say someone new to the forums necroposts. I don't see anything wrong with giving a friendly explanation of why they shouldn't do that and encouraging them to add some relevant discussion to better revive an old topic.

However, I do see where you're coming from. I agree that it is less than desirable to read a several page long essay about how you messed up and why you messed up and so on and so forth. That is excessive. That is taking mini-modding too far.

I'd rather see an encouragement that rather than just saying “Don't do xyz” or launching into a detailed outline and/or essay, one encourages the user to add their two cents to the topic in a polite and friendly manner. I say this because I feel as though using “mini-modding” as peer-to-peer encouragement to improve would stick better than someone receiving a honestly corporate-sounding warning.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

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I'd rather see an encouragement that rather than just saying “Don't do xyz” or launching into a detailed outline and/or essay, one encourages the user to add their two cents to the topic in a polite and friendly manner. I say this because I feel as though using “mini-modding” as peer-to-peer encouragement to improve would stick better than someone receiving a honestly corporate-sounding warning.

Exactly. Users looking out for each other is what I want to see. I do NOT want you to leave a message on my profile, criticize me, and act like you're Paddle2See. No. You can get off my page with that mess. Because all I'mma do is drag you by the lace front until you shut up.

I think it should just be banned altogether. Mini-mods are heavily disliked in internet culture and it is not beneficial. Sure, it may work sometimes but it's still such a god-awful thing to do. It is not a community member's place to inform someone they're about to get banned. It is not a community member's place to use the same copy and paste messages the Scratch Team uses. It's just not their place. And it's very distasteful to see people do this on the daily.

Semi-support, sometimes if someone with actual experience onsite doesn't step in before ST does things could get really bad. Ofc silent reporting is ALWAYS the way to go, but theres been occasions where the response time hasn't been fast enough (like in a live doxxing) and users have taken drastic measures which, while rightfully not appreciated, did keep a situation from getting MUCH worse.