itzFluffo wrote:

pasta_enjoyer7 wrote:

If possible, I'd like to add on to this - maybe there could even be a “timer” of sorts preventing people from just clicking through the pages. Nothing drastic, obviously, but at least a couple seconds-to a minute delay might encourage more people to actually stop and read them.

Even better: hide a keyword or passkey within the rules that must be inputted into a textbox, being randomly put together with whatever string anyone wants it to be.

I'm on a forum where this is a must, and they quite literally blend it into the rules. For instance, to quote the exact part it's in:

Keep the topic of a thread in mind! The forum is not a chatroom, it's more like sending a letter to someone. Remember what the topic is about, try to stay on topic, and make sure what you're posting contributes to the conversation and doesn't make the thread harder to read. If someone complains about you being spammy, take the hint. The key we referred to earlier is the compound word greenflower. Lastly, no financial transactions. We won't stop you from performing commissions on your own in private or elsewhere, but you're on your own if you do. We can’t have your back if a deal goes bad.

Doing something similar to this could work - It'd completely force the user to read it, not just wait out a timer and call it a day.

Of course we can't just put it in the middle, we'd need to go from high severity to low, so when we reach the lowest severity of a rule break or something that is completely at the user's fault, we could first give the pass key.
After that we'd have to reroll where we place this obviously, else the next train of thought on the end user would be to look at roughly the same place.

I'm no rule-writer, so writing an example of this isn't something I can do.

I'm not sure a timer or forcing the reader to read the rules would be helpful, because it might discourage first time forumers to click off of forums.
OP: I think like others are saying adding a pop-up when you first enter the forums would work well. I think it would be okay without a timer, because if someone broke a rule but didn't read the rules, that's their fault entirely. Maybe the pop-up could be something like this?

Welcome to the Scratch Forums! The forums are a place to discuss ideas, questions and interests with the community. However, there are some basic rules to follow to keep the forums a great place for everyone.
(Continue button, next page)
1. Keep the forums friendly.
It's important to be kind of all ages, religions, gender, etc. Also keep in mind that forums follow the same rules as the rest of the website. You can find those rules here.
(Next page)
2. Contribute.
What this means is that you should always bring something to a forum. Random posts that don't add anything to the discussion or are irrelevant to the topic clutter the topic and are unnecessary.
(Next page)
3. Follow forum-specific rules.
Each forum has its own specific rules. Following these rules helps keep the forums organized and relevant. To see these rules, click the (i) button on the top of all forum pages or click “rules for submitting” when you create a topic or post to see general and forum specific rules. (Pictures if the I and rules for submitting here)
(Next page)
4. Read the stickies.
Stickies are topics marked by a pin icon and are always at the top of each forum section. They usually are made with permission from the Scratch Team and are guides to that forum section. They may be long, but they're extremely important and helpful to make your topic.
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5. Don't be afraid to ask questions!
The forums can be a confusing place when you start out, but you can ask questions in the Questions about Scratch forum, and the forum community will do their best to answer.

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

Thiago_le_meilleur wrote:

Good idea. This will prevent necropost for scratchers that are new to the forums.

Necroposting isn't a thing on the scratch forums, if it's not closed it still can be relevant.

Necroposting is a thing?? (this can include implemented suggestions that aren't closed, and posts from many subforums)

Well then the suggestions should be closed. If someone adds on to a suggestion they don't know has been implemented, and assumed the idea hasn't been added, then it's the fault of the person who made the suggestion for no closing it earlier.

HighlaneGamingStudio wrote:

The button should probably be placed in a useful location, like this:
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Nice mock-up, I’ll add it to the op

coder2310 wrote:

Necroposting isn't a thing on the scratch forums, if it's not closed it still can be relevant.

Since when someone asking something without any link to the op after many years is relevant?

coder2310 wrote:

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

Thiago_le_meilleur wrote:

Good idea. This will prevent necropost for scratchers that are new to the forums.

Necroposting isn't a thing on the scratch forums, if it's not closed it still can be relevant.

Necroposting is a thing?? (this can include implemented suggestions that aren't closed, and posts from many subforums)

Well then the suggestions should be closed. If someone adds on to a suggestion they don't know has been implemented, and assumed the idea hasn't been added, then it's the fault of the person who made the suggestion for no closing it earlier.

They might have forgot about the post/forgot where the post was actually located (especially when you have a lot of posts), and I've seen a lot of cases where the person is no longer on Scratch when the suggestion is implemented. (ex. let's say that someone requested for a “contains” operator block on the 2.0 forums in 2012, and left Scratch 3-4 years later.. the suggestion would then be implemented in 3.0, and they wouldn't be active to close it)
Also, some people know it is implemented and/or don't know the rules of the forums, and still post on it anyway, and that was just an example of cases of necroposting (in case you meant necroposting isn't a thing in suggestions)
Edit: In addition, I can't blame you for forgetting about a post you made years ago lol, before a suggestion was actually added

floofycat4436 wrote:

OP: I think like others are saying adding a pop-up when you first enter the forums would work well. I think it would be okay without a timer, because if someone broke a rule but didn't read the rules, that's their fault entirely. Maybe the pop-up could be something like this?
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The pop-up is a part of the suggestion, and I agree with you, it’s their problem if they choose to don’t read.

This pop-up is really good, I’ll link the post in the OP

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

Thiago_le_meilleur wrote:

Good idea. This will prevent necropost for scratchers that are new to the forums.

Necroposting isn't a thing on the scratch forums, if it's not closed it still can be relevant.

Necroposting is a thing?? (this can include implemented suggestions that aren't closed, and posts from many subforums)

Well then the suggestions should be closed. If someone adds on to a suggestion they don't know has been implemented, and assumed the idea hasn't been added, then it's the fault of the person who made the suggestion for no closing it earlier.

They might have forgot about the post/forgot where the post was actually located (especially when you have a lot of posts), and I've seen cases where the person is no longer on Scratch when the suggestion is implemented.
Also, some people know it is implemented and/or don't know the rules of the forums, and still post on it anyway, and that was just an example of cases of necroposting (in case you meant necroposting isn't a thing in suggestions)

I agree with that, though we should focus on removing added ideas over removing necroposts.

coder2310 wrote:

I agree with that, though we should focus on removing added ideas over removing necroposts.

What do you mean? (I'm suggesting this, as it would make it easier for people who don't know the rule, but also people who misread the date).
It could just be a warning in the new reply box (maybe it should check how long ago the previous post was made)

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

I agree with that, though we should focus on removing added ideas over removing necroposts.

What do you mean? (I'm suggesting this, as it would make it easier for people who don't know the rule, but also people who misread the date).
It could just be a warning in the new reply box (maybe it should check how long ago the previous post was made)

I mean if a suggestion has been added it should be removed, reporting added suggestions to be removed should also be something new forumers should know about.

Oh yeah, support! The mods really need some help from the community, the amount of dupes and rejected topics name is insane.

everwinner64 wrote:

floofycat4436 wrote:

OP: I think like others are saying adding a pop-up when you first enter the forums would work well. I think it would be okay without a timer, because if someone broke a rule but didn't read the rules, that's their fault entirely. Maybe the pop-up could be something like this?
-snip-

The pop-up is a part of the suggestion, and I agree with you, it’s their problem if they choose to don’t read.

This pop-up is really good, I’ll link the post in the OP

Thanks!

coder2310 wrote:

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

I agree with that, though we should focus on removing added ideas over removing necroposts.

What do you mean? (I'm suggesting this, as it would make it easier for people who don't know the rule, but also people who misread the date).
It could just be a warning in the new reply box (maybe it should check how long ago the previous post was made)

I mean if a suggestion has been added it should be removed, reporting added suggestions to be removed should also be something new forumers should know about.

I feel like it should be closed instead of removed honestly (the topic can be useful as a source)

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

medians wrote:

coder2310 wrote:

I agree with that, though we should focus on removing added ideas over removing necroposts.

What do you mean? (I'm suggesting this, as it would make it easier for people who don't know the rule, but also people who misread the date).
It could just be a warning in the new reply box (maybe it should check how long ago the previous post was made)

I mean if a suggestion has been added it should be removed, reporting added suggestions to be removed should also be something new forumers should know about.

I feel like it should be closed instead of removed honestly (the topic can be useful as a source)

Yeah that's what I ment

The information button seems useful - it would be more convenient to have the rules in one place than going through countless stickies in each forum for hours, and would very likely decrease unwanted posts from new scratchers.

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Hmm - sorry if someone has pointed this out earlier and I didn't see it while scanning the pages, but I am interested in the “forum-only” mute idea. What do you think the mutes would be given out for?

To elaborate, what rules do you think (at a minimum) would have to be broken to get an alert for it? Or is it just a general “if you break any rule, you get a message?”

pasta_enjoyer7 wrote:

Hmm - sorry if someone has pointed this out earlier and I didn't see it while scanning the pages, but I am interested in the “forum-only” mute idea. What do you think the mutes would be given out for?

To elaborate, what rules do you think (at a minimum) would have to be broken to get an alert for it? Or is it just a general “if you break any rule, you get a message?”

Since forum rules would be accessible everywhere and shown whenever someone posts in a forum for the first time, a “forum-only” mute — along with an alert explaining that a rule was broken — would be given each time a user chooses to ignore the rules despite being prompted to read them.

The duration of the mute would vary depending on how many times the user has broken rules, or how serious the “infraction” was. However, as mentioned in the original post, the goal isn’t to punish users harshly, but rather to help them understand when their behavior is problematic in a forum context

That’s why, even if someone receives 1000 forum-related alerts, they wouldn’t be banned — these mutes would be strictly limited to the forums

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