Maybe if the scratch team really wants to add it for some reason, it could be an optional thing in settings.

Keep the green flag only. It would be confusing

eli_codetest wrote:

Yellowsheep43 wrote:

I think this would confuse a lot of newer scratchers. Although I do realize the good intentions, consider the following scenario:

Lets say that ScratcherA visits a project called “Rock Simulator.” The project is very old and the person who made it has left scratch. The project instructions say to click the green flag several times. ScratcherA gets confused about where the green flag is, being that there is a rainbow flag instead of a green flag.

In most scenarios, I'm pretty sure the scratcher would realize that the rainbow flag was technically the green flag. But there is that to keep in mind. And the same applies to project made during the rainbow flag month that say to click the rainbow flag several times.

Sorry, I'm just the guy that likes to have a completely different Point of View

I think that that is not the right view. The LGBTQ community should be accepted.

what do you mean they will be confused it's kinda odvious

Perhaps, to avoid confusion, the green flag could turn into a rainbow flag when it's hovered over (or tapped on mobile)?

If Scratch supports LGBTQ+ and displays a gradient flag for gay pride, why wouldn't it, for the sake of equality, display a flag with a cross on Easter, or a flag with a crescent during Ramadan? It should be done for all religions and all human groups, which would lead us to have to display multiple different flags on the same day, which is impossible. In any case, even the change in appearance on hover can be uncomfortable for people who do not support the LGBT community. So, no support.
LL

I think that some users who do not celebrate Pride would be angry/hurt or there parents might make them leave Scratch (no offense I respect people who do celebrate it even if I don't)

GarbagePanda wrote:

I think that some users who do not celebrate Pride would be angry/hurt or there parents might make them leave Scratch (no offense I respect people who do celebrate it even if I don't)

Scratch already celebrates Pride Month, but yeah, the flag could make it easier for people to find out.

Exactly, it still needs to be an option. Scratchers are getting plenty of exposure to gay pride through the ST projects, which are, it must be said, on the site's front page.
I'd add, like @GarbagePanda, that parents who don't celebrate Gay Pride wouldn't allow their children to stay on Scratch if there were no choice but to keep the flag, or even to sign up for it.
Scratch celebrates Christmas, Easter, or Ramadan through projects, but it would be a blatant inequality to give homosexuals the privilege of having a flag that highlights them, if Christians, Muslims, or even Jews don't have one at their own times. Even if the ST offers different flags, users must be able to choose which ones they accept and which ones not (this will not be a pretext for discrimination since it will not be seen on profiles), because there are obviously Christian people for example who would be very happy to have a flag with a cross during Advent and Lent but not at all to have a rainbow one during Gay Pride. In addition, even if the ST accepts the proposal to put flags at all religious, ethnic, group festivals, what should be done if there are several festivals of two different groups at the same time (and both supported by Scratch)?
LL

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

If Scratch supports LGBTQ+ and displays a gradient flag for gay pride, why wouldn't it, for the sake of equality, display a flag with a cross on Easter, or a flag with a crescent during Ramadan? It should be done for all religions and all human groups, which would lead us to have to display multiple different flags on the same day, which is impossible. In any case, even the change in appearance on hover can be uncomfortable for people who do not support the LGBT community. So, no support.
LL

We could sort by location.

-EmeraldThunder- wrote:

No support, it we did this we would also have to add the flag of every other thing or someone could accuse you of being biased. It would be to much effort to add all of these.

Could there be a dropdown to change it beside the flag?

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ? If it were just a button with the text ‘start the program’ on it, no one would ever question whether we should change it to make it a religious, ethnic, or sexual orientation emblem, etc.
LL

Support! This would be a nice feature.

If Scratchers had the option to switch to it whenever they wanted to, but the default is the green flag, it wouldn’t be too confusing either.

I really like this idea ^^

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ?

I think it's just a nice way to show some extra support for a community that's been disciminated against for a while (even today, in the modern world).

It's a minor change, yes, but I think that ‘boosts’ the suggestion more - it's not a huge, noticable change, but it's a small step.

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ? If it were just a button with the text ‘start the program’ on it, no one would ever question whether we should change it to make it a religious, ethnic, or sexual orientation emblem, etc.
LL

First rule of the scratch guidelines:

Treat everyone with respect.

Scratchers have diverse backgrounds, interests, identities, and experiences.

Everyone on Scratch is encouraged to share things that excite them and are important to them—we hope that you find ways to celebrate your own identity on Scratch, and allow others to do the same. It’s never OK to attack a person or group’s identity or to be unkind to someone about their background or interests.

That means if you're a homophobe then you probably shouldn't be using scratch. Besides, scratch already openly supports LGBTQIA+ and Pride Month on the front page. If it hasn't updated yet, you can still look right now.

Btw it's LGBTQIA+, or at least LGBTQ+, not just LGBT.

One thing I do want to mention is that a lot of the documentation for Scratch does use a green flag to represent starting the project. If we change the green flag appearance, then it would make it very confusing for new users to use Scratch if they were to read documentation or tutorials that seem to show a different looking button.

SidewaysCoder wrote:

One thing I do want to mention is that a lot of the documentation for Scratch does use a green flag to represent starting the project. If we change the green flag appearance, then it would make it very confusing for new users to use Scratch if they were to read documentation or tutorials that seem to show a different looking button.

I believe the main suggestion (from the OP) would be for this to be a toggle - somewhere easily accessible, most likely.

SidewaysCoder wrote:

One thing I do want to mention is that a lot of the documentation for Scratch does use a green flag to represent starting the project. If we change the green flag appearance, then it would make it very confusing for new users to use Scratch if they were to read documentation or tutorials that seem to show a different looking button.

True. Perhaps it could be an optional setting, like in the color mode options.

abracaidabra wrote:

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ? If it were just a button with the text ‘start the program’ on it, no one would ever question whether we should change it to make it a religious, ethnic, or sexual orientation emblem, etc.
LL

First rule of the scratch guidelines:

Treat everyone with respect.
Scratchers have diverse backgrounds, interests, identities, and experiences.
Everyone on Scratch is encouraged to share things that excite them and are important to them—we hope that you find ways to celebrate your own identity on Scratch, and allow others to do the same. It’s never OK to attack a person or group’s identity or to be unkind to someone about their background or interests.

That means if you're a homophobe then you probably shouldn't be using scratch. Besides, scratch already openly supports LGBTQIA+ and Pride Month on the front page. If it hasn't updated yet, you can still look right now.
Btw it's LGBTQIA+, or at least LGBTQ+, not just LGBT.

I'm not homophobic, but I'm simply saying that the appearance of the program's startup flag isn't important, and that it risks causing controversy with certain people, whether they're anti-LGBT+, anti-Christian, Islamophobic, etc. I gave the example of LGBTQIA+ people, but I could just as easily have given the example of a flag with a cross or a crescent. My goal wasn't to offend, but I chose the example I gave because it was the topic's title.
In any case, you can just as well dislike the fact that there are homosexuals (you don't choose what you like and what you don't like) without wanting to offend people who are, for reasons of tolerance. This is not my case (and if my previous message was a bit clumsy, I apologize), because I do not support any political side (at least not on the Scratch forums, because outside of Scratch you do what you want). I was simply saying that the appearance of the green flag is not such a big deal.

pasta_enjoyer7 wrote:

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ?

I think it's just a nice way to show some extra support for a community that's been disciminated against for a while (even today, in the modern world).
It's a minor change, yes, but I think that ‘boosts’ the suggestion more - it's not a huge, noticable change, but it's a small step.

I agree, but I'd like to emphasize that the green flag is only a way to launch the program, not a place where Scratchers can express their political opinions, sexual orientations, and religion.
For that, we have the projects and the studios. Given the number of LGBTQIA+ projects and the frequency with which they appear on the homepage, it's immediately clear that there's no discrimination against homosexuals, trans people, etc. on Scratch. I don't see the point of changing something as tiny as the green flag on Scratch. It would just waste the ST's time (it already has a lot to do), and it would generate a lot of discussion on the forums for a result that's ultimately not that significant.

I'm not here to start a controversy, as I've already said, nor to discriminate against LGBTQIA+ people, but I'm simply talking about the size of the green flag and the insignificance of the proposed change. My goal is to treat everyone with respect (although I'm quite socially awkward, having Asperger's syndrome), not to insult or defame any community.
LL

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

abracaidabra wrote:

Lepus-Lacarotte wrote:

Is the color of the flag really that important? It's just a thing at the top of the screen that takes up 1 cm², so why bother implementing the option to change it (especially if it creates controversies, like with the LGBT flag and homophobes…) ? If it were just a button with the text ‘start the program’ on it, no one would ever question whether we should change it to make it a religious, ethnic, or sexual orientation emblem, etc.
LL

First rule of the scratch guidelines:

Treat everyone with respect.
Scratchers have diverse backgrounds, interests, identities, and experiences.
Everyone on Scratch is encouraged to share things that excite them and are important to them—we hope that you find ways to celebrate your own identity on Scratch, and allow others to do the same. It’s never OK to attack a person or group’s identity or to be unkind to someone about their background or interests.

That means if you're a homophobe then you probably shouldn't be using scratch. Besides, scratch already openly supports LGBTQIA+ and Pride Month on the front page. If it hasn't updated yet, you can still look right now.
Btw it's LGBTQIA+, or at least LGBTQ+, not just LGBT.

I'm not homophobic, but I'm simply saying that the appearance of the program's startup flag isn't important, and that it risks causing controversy with certain people, whether they're anti-LGBT+, anti-Christian, Islamophobic, etc. I gave the example of LGBTQIA+ people, but I could just as easily have given the example of a flag with a cross or a crescent. My goal wasn't to offend, but I chose the example I gave because it was the topic's title.
In any case, you can just as well dislike the fact that there are homosexuals (you don't choose what you like and what you don't like) without wanting to offend people who are, for reasons of tolerance. This is not my case (and if my previous message was a bit clumsy, I apologize), because I do not support any political side (at least not on the Scratch forums, because outside of Scratch you do what you want). I was simply saying that the appearance of the green flag is not such a big deal.

Just to be clear, I was not referring to you as a homophobic. Scratch openly supports LGBTQIA+ on the front page during pride month, however scratch does not openly support Christianity (not to say they don’t like it, they don’t just extra support it). Also are we talking about anti-Christian as in people who hate Christians, or people who aren’t Christian? If we are talking about the second one, it is a very different case from anti-LGBTQIA+. If you don’t believe in God, then the flag with a cross might offend you, and that’s just your religion (or lack thereof). If you are anti-LGBTQIA+, then that’s similar to the first one, and if you have open hate towards a certain group (such as LGBTQIA+) you should not be on scratch. (Being clear again, I’m not accusing you of being any of those).

However, I do support your stance on this, that it might make learning more difficult if the flag is confusing and different colors, since it’s such a fundamental thing in scratch.