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Bump, just saw someone use the stalk wording in a non-SWC collaboration topic.

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Reinforcing with more examples. parts imposing false restrictions are blue, parts that are patronizing or unwelcoming/dismissive are red, and parts that are OK are green.

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here is some that I found was acceptable:
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MagicCoder330 wrote:

Reinforcing with more examples. parts imposing false restrictions are blue, parts that are patronizing or unwelcoming/dismissive are red, and parts that are OK are green.

If you aren't a co/leader this session and haven't been given permission to participate here, we'd appreciate if you follow our honor system and close this forum <3 We hope to see you in the upcoming session! Camper signups are released on my profile on February 1st.

Hey everyone! Welcome to the (formerly known as the ) – if you have not been invited to this forum, through the current leader forum or otherwise, I must respectfully ask you to leave. SWC is run on an honor system – we trust that you will act accordingly. To those who remain, welcome! We’re very excited to have you here, and we look forward to working with you this session <3
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I think the “we'd appreciate” in the first example is a good enough qualifier for telling people that these aren't Scratch's rules, they're just what whoever created the topic would prefer, which is fine. And I can't see how a heart analog could possibly be parsed as patronising here - it feels more like a replacement for “please”.

As for the second example, the first section in red is certainly unwelcoming, though it's not targeted at anyone in particular. It does seem like imposing false restrictions though. “SWC is run on an honor system – we trust that you will act accordingly” - they aren't in any way ‘imposing false restrictions’ here - this part is clearly directed at other SWC participants as a reminder/request to act within SWC rules. They're not falsely telling anyone that they're breaking Scratch's rules for reading the forum. And “To those who remain” is low-level humour, not dismissive.

I see issues with this when it breaks into lying about Scratch's rules, but most of these examples are fine.

AHypnoman wrote:

MagicCoder330 wrote:

Reinforcing with more examples. parts imposing false restrictions are blue, parts that are patronizing or unwelcoming/dismissive are red, and parts that are OK are green.

If you aren't a co/leader this session and haven't been given permission to participate here, we'd appreciate if you follow our honor system and close this forum <3 We hope to see you in the upcoming session! Camper signups are released on my profile on February 1st.

Hey everyone! Welcome to the (formerly known as the ) – if you have not been invited to this forum, through the current leader forum or otherwise, I must respectfully ask you to leave. SWC is run on an honor system – we trust that you will act accordingly. To those who remain, welcome! We’re very excited to have you here, and we look forward to working with you this session <3
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And I can't see how a heart analog could possibly be parsed as patronising here - it feels more like a replacement for “please”.

It can come off as dismissive tho

MagicCoder330 wrote:

you’ll be ignored either way.

That's not really a polite addition to a notice

Additionally, the problem with anti-stalking messages isn't just (potential) hostility and condescension, but the fact that they label people as stalkers. They say that if you're not invited, you're a stalker. In no circumstance can stalker be used politely towards someone online- and definitely not in these anti-stalking messages that are unfortunately quite prevalent.

You can make a similar message without harsh labelling and rudeness: ‘Hi! This topic is made for (insert name of group). This may spoil the experience for people who are not in (insert group). You are free to continue reading but please do not post off-topic. Thank you ’

Bump bc this topic is interesting but I've already posted

Basilikos wrote:

cs3868895 wrote:

Idk, both can be wrong if one side decides to personally attack the other.

And both sides of a civil debate can be in the wrong if they pull out a knife and starting to frenetically stab each other repeatedly in the pancreas.
So? Unnecessary parenthesis no offense. In a disagreement you're automatically in the wrong if you act inappropriately and without using civil means of resolving a conflict.

… what?