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mitchboy
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
It's half-full of water and half-full of air. SCIENCE. IT BURNS.

Anyway, as Paddle2See said, remixing is a crucial part of Scratch. But projects with little or no changes is not really remixing, even if they give credit. At least to me.
Scratch12300
Scratcher
500+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

mitchboy wrote:

Anyway, as Paddle2See said, remixing is a crucial part of Scratch. But projects with little or no changes is not really remixing, even if they give credit. At least to me.
+1
Mokat
Scratcher
100+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

kayybee wrote:

Mokat wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

I think the system should check a remixed project to see if there have been any changes. If not, the user should get some instructions on how to click the Star and Heart on the original project instead of remixing without changes. Also, some instructions could be given on how to put projects you like into studios.

Maybe this would cut down on the blatant theft of projects.
sadly, I'm afraid that someone could find a way around this, because they could make like a one pixel sized sprite and make that hide at the beginning and the rest could be the same. In the filter it wold count as different, but no one could tell the difference unless they downloaded the project.
That's because they're trying to steal it.

Some people might be unaware that they're sharing the project that they've directly copied, or some people might be trying to look inside and think “share” is like “spread the word of this thing” (like it is on Facebook, where sharing something is like quoting it) and would share it to their page. While some people will still find ways around it, this might stop people from stealing projects unintentionally.
Maybe they should do something where when you mouse over the word share in the editor, it says something like “post this project to the site”. I don't know how much people would read it, but it might help a little.
BoltBait
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Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Mokat wrote:

kayybee wrote:

Mokat wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

I think the system should check a remixed project to see if there have been any changes. If not, the user should get some instructions on how to click the Star and Heart on the original project instead of remixing without changes. Also, some instructions could be given on how to put projects you like into studios.

Maybe this would cut down on the blatant theft of projects.
sadly, I'm afraid that someone could find a way around this, because they could make like a one pixel sized sprite and make that hide at the beginning and the rest could be the same. In the filter it wold count as different, but no one could tell the difference unless they downloaded the project.
That's because they're trying to steal it.

Some people might be unaware that they're sharing the project that they've directly copied, or some people might be trying to look inside and think “share” is like “spread the word of this thing” (like it is on Facebook, where sharing something is like quoting it) and would share it to their page. While some people will still find ways around it, this might stop people from stealing projects unintentionally.
Maybe they should do something where when you mouse over the word share in the editor, it says something like “post this project to the site”. I don't know how much people would read it, but it might help a little.

Mokat, my suggestion is not trying to stop people from purposely stealing projects. It is meant to educate new users on the proper way to show that you like a project. I think new users sometimes think the only way to keep track of a project is to remix it. If they knew that they could favorite (star) it and it would show up on their profile page, maybe it would cut down on frivolous remixes.

Last edited by BoltBait (July 14, 2013 02:59:21)

groko13
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Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

cheeseeater wrote:

gwagner1 wrote:

What if I want to post a project, and have people remix it? Well then, I have an idea! What if, at anytime on your shared project, you could open a “Settings” window? This would have 2 checkboxes; one would have, “remixes?” next to it, and the other one would have, “Shared remixes?” It's kind of self explanitory. That way, you could allow someone to remix the project, or to share their remixes. It might also have a, “Only friends remix?” box, so that you can allow only friends to remix it! That way your projects would be safe from hacking, or from posting hacked projects.
As a number of people said, Scratch is about sharing and remixing. I learned about Scratch from remixing. I found a maze game, and decided i wanted to make it better, so i tweaked the scripts and changed the colours and stuff. This took quite along time, because i was a beginner with Scratch and my Raspberry Pi kept crashing when in full screen mode! I bet all the greatest scratchers learnt from remixing! As on some video games(like LBP2) you see someones level they have made, you really like the car thats in it and want to use it for your own level. But you can't use it because its part of a bought pack and the level is locked to see inside! Yes i agree, it is annoying when you tryed hard on a project, but all the views go to a remix of your project, but with all the extras unlocked. Most inventions are ‘remixs’ of other inventions, like an electric printer is a remix of a old wooden printing press. So yeh, i don't think the ST are ever going to have a box to stop remixing.
I learned a lot from remixing, and I like it! I made a really good game with remixing. When people remix, not just they learn more about programing, but the person who made the original project does too! I hope remixing never gets stopped.
groko13
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Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

joshuaho wrote:

Remixing should not be limited! Scratch is a place for learning, and remixing helps with that!

I once flagged a project, thinking it was a copy, when it was a remix! Then…

The Scratch Team wrote:

Hi - - - , we took a look at the project you flagged as a copy but found some script changes made, which would qualify the project as a remix and not as a copy. We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a “Based on…” link to give credit to the original author – and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.
Remixing is a way to learn, but how? This is how it helps:
A user can download a project and see the scripting and learn how they work. Then, he/ she can change the scripts and costumes, and see what happens. It's like experimenting with something and making something exciting out of it!

So, that is how remixing helps. You get to see and you get to experiment.
Of course, you can't copy a project… that is called project copying, but you certainly can remix!

You do have to give credit to the scratcher who made the original project after sharing the remix, though.
How do you flag projects?
Scratch12300
Scratcher
500+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

groko13 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Remixing should not be limited! Scratch is a place for learning, and remixing helps with that!

I once flagged a project, thinking it was a copy, when it was a remix! Then…

The Scratch Team wrote:

Hi - - - , we took a look at the project you flagged as a copy but found some script changes made, which would qualify the project as a remix and not as a copy. We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a “Based on…” link to give credit to the original author – and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.
Remixing is a way to learn, but how? This is how it helps:
A user can download a project and see the scripting and learn how they work. Then, he/ she can change the scripts and costumes, and see what happens. It's like experimenting with something and making something exciting out of it!

So, that is how remixing helps. You get to see and you get to experiment.
Of course, you can't copy a project… that is called project copying, but you certainly can remix!

You do have to give credit to the scratcher who made the original project after sharing the remix, though.
How do you flag projects?
Clicking “Report” is the same as flagging as inappropriate. Where the heart and star are, at the very end it says “Report”. Click that.
mathfreak231
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
What I am trying to say here, is that if a someone copies a project without credit… isn't that bad? I mean, the credit that belongs to you gets taken away!!

And the glass question… half full. I support remixing, but as much as I support remixing, I can't support copying (and in this case, when I say copying, I mean stealing)
+1
Scratch12300
Scratcher
500+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

mathfreak231 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
What I am trying to say here, is that if a someone copies a project without credit… isn't that bad? I mean, the credit that belongs to you gets taken away!!

And the glass question… half full. I support remixing, but as much as I support remixing, I can't support copying (and in this case, when I say copying, I mean stealing)
+1
+1. I don't support project copying, but when someone copies a project, you can either think of it as a compliment; some new scratchers think “Share” means “Spread the word”. And if it did, this would be a compliment! Or you can think of it as someone is purposefully making you get excited about getting a remix when not a single thing is changed.
joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Scratch12300 wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
What I am trying to say here, is that if a someone copies a project without credit… isn't that bad? I mean, the credit that belongs to you gets taken away!!

And the glass question… half full. I support remixing, but as much as I support remixing, I can't support copying (and in this case, when I say copying, I mean stealing)
+1
+1. I don't support project copying, but when someone copies a project, you can either think of it as a compliment; some new scratchers think “Share” means “Spread the word”. And if it did, this would be a compliment! Or you can think of it as someone is purposefully making you get excited about getting a remix when not a single thing is changed.
Hmm…. then because of that, share should be more specific, as in
Share: Make a project and share it…
That way, scratchers will know what share means in scratch and will not confuse the same word with another definition.
Scratch12300
Scratcher
500+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
What I am trying to say here, is that if a someone copies a project without credit… isn't that bad? I mean, the credit that belongs to you gets taken away!!

And the glass question… half full. I support remixing, but as much as I support remixing, I can't support copying (and in this case, when I say copying, I mean stealing)
+1
+1. I don't support project copying, but when someone copies a project, you can either think of it as a compliment; some new scratchers think “Share” means “Spread the word”. And if it did, this would be a compliment! Or you can think of it as someone is purposefully making you get excited about getting a remix when not a single thing is changed.
Hmm…. then because of that, share should be more specific, as in
Share: Make a project and share it…
That way, scratchers will know what share means in scratch and will not confuse the same word with another definition.
+1. A perfect solution!
joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Scratch12300 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Scratch12300 wrote:

It isn't. But is the glass half-empty, or half-full?
What I am trying to say here, is that if a someone copies a project without credit… isn't that bad? I mean, the credit that belongs to you gets taken away!!

And the glass question… half full. I support remixing, but as much as I support remixing, I can't support copying (and in this case, when I say copying, I mean stealing)
+1
+1. I don't support project copying, but when someone copies a project, you can either think of it as a compliment; some new scratchers think “Share” means “Spread the word”. And if it did, this would be a compliment! Or you can think of it as someone is purposefully making you get excited about getting a remix when not a single thing is changed.
Hmm…. then because of that, share should be more specific, as in
Share: Make a project and share it…
That way, scratchers will know what share means in scratch and will not confuse the same word with another definition.
+1. A perfect solution!
Thanks!
Mokat
Scratcher
100+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

groko13 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Remixing should not be limited! Scratch is a place for learning, and remixing helps with that!

I once flagged a project, thinking it was a copy, when it was a remix! Then…

The Scratch Team wrote:

Hi - - - , we took a look at the project you flagged as a copy but found some script changes made, which would qualify the project as a remix and not as a copy. We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a “Based on…” link to give credit to the original author – and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.
Remixing is a way to learn, but how? This is how it helps:
A user can download a project and see the scripting and learn how they work. Then, he/ she can change the scripts and costumes, and see what happens. It's like experimenting with something and making something exciting out of it!

So, that is how remixing helps. You get to see and you get to experiment.
Of course, you can't copy a project… that is called project copying, but you certainly can remix!

You do have to give credit to the scratcher who made the original project after sharing the remix, though.
How do you flag projects?
Click on the button beneath the project that says “flag as inappropriate” and type in the reason for flagging.
joshuaho
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Mokat wrote:

groko13 wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Remixing should not be limited! Scratch is a place for learning, and remixing helps with that!

I once flagged a project, thinking it was a copy, when it was a remix! Then…

The Scratch Team wrote:

Hi - - - , we took a look at the project you flagged as a copy but found some script changes made, which would qualify the project as a remix and not as a copy. We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a “Based on…” link to give credit to the original author – and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.
Remixing is a way to learn, but how? This is how it helps:
A user can download a project and see the scripting and learn how they work. Then, he/ she can change the scripts and costumes, and see what happens. It's like experimenting with something and making something exciting out of it!

So, that is how remixing helps. You get to see and you get to experiment.
Of course, you can't copy a project… that is called project copying, but you certainly can remix!

You do have to give credit to the scratcher who made the original project after sharing the remix, though.
How do you flag projects?
Click on the button beneath the project that says “flag as inappropriate” and type in the reason for flagging.
It now says “report”, not “flag as inappropriate”.
FirstSkyler1
Scratcher
100+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

To make it clear: Remixing will NEVER be removed. This has been said several times before, and I'll say it again.
powerpoint56
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1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

BoltBait wrote:

I think the system should check a remixed project to see if there have been any changes. If not, the user should get some instructions on how to click the Star and Heart on the original project instead of remixing without changes. Also, some instructions could be given on how to put projects you like into studios.

Maybe this would cut down on the blatant theft of projects.
Yeah. The only way this could be worked around is if someone just dragged a random block in some random place in the editor. Then the system might think the user has made changes and not stop them.
dvd4
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Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

powerpoint56 wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

I think the system should check a remixed project to see if there have been any changes. If not, the user should get some instructions on how to click the Star and Heart on the original project instead of remixing without changes. Also, some instructions could be given on how to put projects you like into studios.

Maybe this would cut down on the blatant theft of projects.
Yeah. The only way this could be worked around is if someone just dragged a random block in some random place in the editor. Then the system might think the user has made changes and not stop them.
But it's better than NOTHING.
dracae
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

dvd4 wrote:

powerpoint56 wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

I think the system should check a remixed project to see if there have been any changes. If not, the user should get some instructions on how to click the Star and Heart on the original project instead of remixing without changes. Also, some instructions could be given on how to put projects you like into studios.

Maybe this would cut down on the blatant theft of projects.
Yeah. The only way this could be worked around is if someone just dragged a random block in some random place in the editor. Then the system might think the user has made changes and not stop them.
But it's better than NOTHING.
I agree.
A lot of copies have no changes, so this will help.
PERCE-NEIGE
Scratcher
100+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Yes Boot, I was thinking about it also.
If there's no change, it's not a remix, it's a copy.
Failord
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Don't you hate it when someone hacks your projects?

Well, we HAVE discovered a method of detecting if it's in Editor mode… So with a username detection, you could make it so the project “locks” itself with a sprite or script when someone else sees inside. However, I doubt the ST will approve, and the method will be gone as soon as letters are supported in Cloud Data.
Hmmm… funny blank spot. I wonder what it means? Maybe I'll select it and see what comes up. Or perhaps quote it?

But yeah, hacks are annoying.

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