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- mrsrec
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Scratch 4.0
The project has now returned, but the link to the PDF file has been removed. Apparently linking to that is not allowed because it also contains contact information. As cheddargirl explained it:
Just because contact info is public in [the file] doesn't mean it's okay to post a link to that public info elsewhere. It's kind of like how people-finder repositories have contact info that's easily searchable and public, but it's not okay to post a link to that info elsewhere on the internet.She has also said all links to that PDF file anywhere on Scratch will be removed. So if anyone asks about 4.0, just a link to the project which contains a screenshot is all that can be used.
Last edited by mrsrec (Nov. 10, 2024 21:36:00)
- han614698
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Scratch 4.0
(#61)Can you link to where she says that?
As cheddargirl explained it:Just because contact info is public in [the file] doesn't mean it's okay to post a link to that public info elsewhere. It's kind of like how people-finder repositories have contact info that's easily searchable and public, but it's not okay to post a link to that info elsewhere on the internet.
She has also said all links to that PDF file anywhere on Scratch will be removed. So if anyone asks about 4.0, just a link to the project which contains a screenshot is all that can be used.I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I think this is completely unreasonable. If they're going to ban content from their own website, they shouldn't post that content on their website. I get that they have to put jobs somewhere, but then they should allow linking them on Scratch. What's on this PDF that's so bad anyway?
- Voxalice
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Scratch 4.0
(#62)Sure, here you go.(#61)Can you link to where she says that?
As cheddargirl explained it:Just because contact info is public in [the file] doesn't mean it's okay to post a link to that public info elsewhere. It's kind of like how people-finder repositories have contact info that's easily searchable and public, but it's not okay to post a link to that info elsewhere on the internet.
- BigNate469
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Scratch 4.0
The project has now returned, but the link to the PDF file has been removed. Apparently linking to that is not allowed because it also contains contact information. As cheddargirl explained it:Yeah, I got my forum signature edited because it linked to it.Just because contact info is public in [the file] doesn't mean it's okay to post a link to that public info elsewhere. It's kind of like how people-finder repositories have contact info that's easily searchable and public, but it's not okay to post a link to that info elsewhere on the internet.She has also said all links to that PDF file anywhere on Scratch will be removed. So if anyone asks about 4.0, just a link to the project which contains a screenshot is all that can be used.
I don't know if they'll allow this (primarily for copyright reasons, actually- I'm in a grey area here), but I made a version that removes all of the links from it (and as a result does not give away any private/personal information), and is rendered as HTML (after being compiled from markdown) at https://bignate469.github.io/random-stuff/safe-for-scratch-version
Last edited by BigNate469 (Nov. 11, 2024 00:08:13)
- han614698
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Scratch 4.0
Some interesting cheddargirl quotes on the matter:
it's just an anticipated number change due to potential scope of project. In other words, we think it may be huge that could push it into 4.0 territory, but it's nothing official until actual work gets underway that would allow us to determine if the work is a scope of a 4.0 project or a 3.0 feature.
It's not really official 4.0 work at this point. It's just an anticipated number change due to potential scope of project. But if ends up being a new feature built on top of 3.0 and not a huge change to 3.0 entirely, then it's still part of the 3.0 family.
that job listing isn't verifiable proof of any official work on 4.0. The number listing from 3.0 to 4.0 is still dependent on how much or how little the current 3.0 software needs to be modified, and for all anyone knows, we could still be stuck with 3.0 when the new features are added regardless of the job listing.
just asking the ST every once in a while in Questions About Scratch about 4.0 status [is okay]
Last edited by han614698 (Nov. 14, 2024 02:47:55)
- cookieclickerer33
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Scratcher
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Scratch 4.0
Hopefully a new forums engine, going off of the “reimagined online community”. I think that comments are pretty sophisticated as it is.Seems the fourms already recived a major upgrade with the 3.0 blocks too
It’s possible they’d go more on the social side, adding rejected suggestions such as live message, typing indicator and online indicators.
I kinda suspected this for some reasons I can’t share, but there was lots of buildup, at least from my point of view on certain things that I’m involved in.
- BigNate469
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Scratch 4.0
edited quoted post to fix spelling errorssnipSeems the forums already received a major upgrade with the 3.0 blocks too
They're still running on scratchr2.
The forums have been running on the same infrastructure for 11 years, and judging by what some ST members have said, it's not particularly sustainable. 3.0 blocks is mostly cosmetic; you could do it by just changing the SVGs rendered by [scratchblocks]. To my knowledge it doesn't require any backend changes.
- Jeffalo
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Scratcher
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Scratch 4.0
3.0 blocks were a super minor update, just swapping out a couple files. i did some much bigger updates over the summer to clean up the codebase, and fix vulnerabilities, but the forums are more akin to being on life support than receiving updates. this whole topic is all just speculation based on one sentence in a job listing (which tend to be intentionally broad and vague).Hopefully a new forums engine, going off of the “reimagined online community”. I think that comments are pretty sophisticated as it is.Seems the fourms already recived a major upgrade with the 3.0 blocks too
It’s possible they’d go more on the social side, adding rejected suggestions such as live message, typing indicator and online indicators.
I kinda suspected this for some reasons I can’t share, but there was lots of buildup, at least from my point of view on certain things that I’m involved in.
“reimagined online community” almost certainly does not refer to the forums. and no, the scratch team is almost certainly not going to add “rejected suggestions”. i don’t think this speculation is helpful or even healthy..
Last edited by Jeffalo (Nov. 16, 2024 06:39:56)
- mrsrec
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Scratcher
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Scratch 4.0
i don’t think this speculation is helpful or even healthy..
I agree; I regret making this topic and I think it has run its course now.
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