I know the ST is experimenting with ai but I think they should stop even before it's added to the platform.

1. AI art steals. AI art takes art from different artists on the internet (Who most likely do not consent) and mixes them up to create “new art.”

2. Scratch projects should be made with imagination. I believe that drawing something is much more imaginative than just typing in a prompt.

3. Little kids, do not care much about the amount of effort in art but instead how bright and fun it looks. This could end up in a decrease in popularity for the scratchers who draw and animate. While Scratch isn't for popularity, it can get a bit lonely when no one comments on a project that most likely took a year or more to finish.

4. Little kids are also curious about things. Some innocent eight-year old could put in “unclothed human.” And find very inappropriate things. While the ai will probably have a filter, I used c.ai and believe me, there is always a way to break the filter either accidentally or on purpose (ew). This could lead to Scratch getting sued for exposing little kids to inappropriate stuff.

Therefore, I think ai art shouldn't be on Scratch and that Scratch Team should stop experimenting with it.

Horsekatto wrote:

I know the ST is experimenting with ai but I think they should stop even before it's added to the platform.

1. AI art steals. AI art takes art from different artists on the internet (Who most likely do not consent) and mixes them up to create “new art.”

2. Scratch projects should be made with imagination. I believe that drawing something is much more imaginative than just typing in a prompt.

3. Little kids, do not care much about the amount of effort in art but instead how bright and fun it looks. This could end up in a decrease in popularity for the scratchers who draw and animate. While Scratch isn't for popularity, it can get a bit lonely when no one comments on a project that most likely took a year or more to finish.

4. Little kids are also curious about things. Some innocent eight-year old could put in “unclothed human.” And find very inappropriate things. While the ai will probably have a filter, I used c.ai and believe me, there is always a way to break the filter either accidentally or on purpose (ew). This could lead to Scratch getting sued for exposing little kids to inappropriate stuff.

Therefore, I think ai art shouldn't be on Scratch and that Scratch Team should stop experimenting with it.

Well said buddy but we all should calm donw and stop filling every forum with this thematic. Lets stick to the main post

This is exactly why Scratch Team hasn't released the AI yet. (Except for possibly the first and second.)

Horsekatto wrote:

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I think ai art shouldn't be on Scratch

Horsekatto wrote:

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before it's added to the platform.

https://medium.com/scratchteam-blog/inside-scratch-lab-ai-image-generation-179f11bd921a

Eric Rosenbaum wrote:

What’s Next?

Because of the many challenges with AI image generation, we won’t be including it in Scratch any time soon, even on our Scratch Lab site. (…)

EDIT: Also they know it's plagiarism, if anything they'd probably want to walk out of that as well.
They're just researching and not doing anything else with it, so I'd say it's not even a problem.

Personally I feel Scratch should have the complete right to experiment with new technologies, given that they function partially as a research project, and your reasons for stopping experimentation don't really make sense because…. they're just experimenting, not adding anything

WhatijStudios wrote:

Horsekatto wrote:

I know the ST is experimenting with ai but I think they should stop even before it's added to the platform.

1. AI art steals. AI art takes art from different artists on the internet (Who most likely do not consent) and mixes them up to create “new art.”

2. Scratch projects should be made with imagination. I believe that drawing something is much more imaginative than just typing in a prompt.

3. Little kids, do not care much about the amount of effort in art but instead how bright and fun it looks. This could end up in a decrease in popularity for the scratchers who draw and animate. While Scratch isn't for popularity, it can get a bit lonely when no one comments on a project that most likely took a year or more to finish.

4. Little kids are also curious about things. Some innocent eight-year old could put in “unclothed human.” And find very inappropriate things. While the ai will probably have a filter, I used c.ai and believe me, there is always a way to break the filter either accidentally or on purpose (ew). This could lead to Scratch getting sued for exposing little kids to inappropriate stuff.

Therefore, I think ai art shouldn't be on Scratch and that Scratch Team should stop experimenting with it.

Well said buddy but we all should calm donw and stop filling every forum with this thematic. Lets stick to the main post

What main post?

May I write an essay thing about this?
yes, I’ll answer myself, yes I can
Feel free to add this to OP if u want, I don’t mind
I kinda made an essay thing about this:

- My Essay on AI

So ST announced that they’re expirementing with AI. Seeing the blog post, it probably won’t be added any time soon, however I’m making this anyway, let’s enlighten the supporters of this.
So AI… it’s not the worst thing ever, stuff like ChatGPT can be helpful and I also think some language models can help teach, I learned some stuff in python from Replit’s AI. But I don’t think it should be on scratch, especially not image generators. Image generators, a lot of the time, learn from hundreds of unconsenting artists, isn’t that basically just art theft? And besides that, it has other flaws too, let’s go through them together.

- Possibility of Inappropriate Images

AI might generate inappropriate images on accident, then traumatize kids. Even if Scratch tries to combat this, it might still happen, and I don’t know of an effective way to absolutely 100% eliminate the possibility of these kinds of images, and I doubt there is one.

- Possible Racism, Bias, etc

It’s possible that this causes racism, bias and etc. like how in the social media post where the announcement was posted, an image showed how when asked for a black woman, it gives only dark-skinned women, and when asked for light-skinned women, it gives the skin color but only white features so it couldn’t find the right balance, or something like that.⁽¹⁾ In the blog, it’s showed how when asked of a computer programmer it only gives images of white men.⁽²⁾. So obviously this could have issues with stuff like this.

- Discouragement of Creativity

This could discourage putting in effort and creativity into sprites and costumes, and instead encourage using AI instead. Sure, say it “empowers” it all you want, but some people can certainly just not edit it in the paint editor and use it as is, if the AI “draws” better then them, why would they bother to make art themselves?

- Discouragement of Artists

This is kind of adding on to the last section, but anyways, this could discourage artists. Why would people bother to order or commission real artists when AI can make what they want in the matter of seconds? And when people stop commissioning them, that can discourage artists from chasing their dreams, because those young artists might just think “Why continue if AI is already ‘replacing’ me before I even make it to adulthood?” and even quit. This can be extremely discouraging for artists, especially young ones who haven’t got to make a career out of it but aspired to. Here’s a quote from me:

starlightsparker wrote:

Ai will certainly affect artists. The ones who pour their HEARTS into each artwork. The ones who are real. The ones who matter. Not silly strings of code that generates images, it’s not even art it’s just.. an image. A soulless, effortless, image. Doesn’t come close to real art, because real art is made by people who are real themselves. Even if you ignore AI, IT’LL STILL AFFECT ARTISTS. Why would people request or commission those aspiring artists if there’s a tool that can do it faster in the extension library? Why would people try at all to be creative when AI can be “creative” for them? Why would people care about real artists when there’s a bot that can do it? Why would people genuinely and honestly join DMC’s, DTA’s, and art contests instead of just using the ai tool and screenshotting it? Why would people keep going and chasing their artist dreams when AI is “replacing” them before they could even make it to adulthood….?

And don’t say “if you’re an artist, just don’t think about it” because even if you don’t think about it, you’ll feel it when you notice less genuine artwork, sprites and etc, when you notice less people ordering from your shop, if that stuff happens.

- Rise of Fake “Artists”

People could make AI art and say it’s theirs. This could mess up DMC’s, DTA’s, Art Contests, and stuff like that. It could also just fool users and manipulate them. Even if there’s a tag or something that AI was used, they could just screenshot it People can still use other AI’s for this now, but this issue may become more apparent if AI image generators were directly in scratch, free and easy to access. This could be reportable but what if people can’t figure it out? And this could also spark users accusing genuine artists of AI, this issue is already apparent in other parts of the internet. And this could lead to false reporting too.

- Costs

AI is expensive, and Scratch is non-profit, this could definitely cause issues.

- Conclusion

AI has alot of flaws, and i don’t think it should be added. I think people who support this should open their mind and understand how this just isn’t the best thing for scratch, Scratch Team should probably focus on things that we want or things that matter, like servers, moderation, good suggestions etc.

The Scratch Team is not planning on adding AI features anytime soon. They are experimenting with it, but that doesn't mean they are planning on adding it. After all, it's hard to determine whether or not something should be added without experimenting with it. See this blog post for more information: https://scratch.org/blog/inside-scratch-lab-ai-image-generation/

Specifically, note the part which states:

Because of the many challenges with AI image generation, we won’t be including it in Scratch any time soon, even on our Scratch Lab site.

Summarizing the article, there are many problems with AI that the Scratch Team recognizes: not just issues with credit, but also the potential for inappropriate content, the cost, racial/cultural biases, and simply the limitations in getting a “good” image with AI. This was also written several months ago — experimentation with AI is nothing new, but I still think we are very far from seeing it in Scratch, if at all.

So considering that the Scratch Team isn't planning on adding AI to Scratch at the moment, I'm not sure that there needs to be a suggestion against it.

This is all aside from the fact that, if everything works out well, AI in Scratch could actually be very cool and enhance creativity. I'm not going to go into details here, though; the above blog post lists many benefits.

Horsekatto wrote:

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4. Little kids are also curious about things. Some innocent eight-year old could put in “unclothed human.” And find very inappropriate things. While the ai will probably have a filter, I used c.ai and believe me, there is always a way to break the filter either accidentally or on purpose (ew). This could lead to Scratch getting sued for exposing little kids to inappropriate stuff.

You can literally type the same thing into Google and get significantly worse results, and yet they haven't been sued.
YouTube comments sections are absolutely horrible right now, but no lawsuit

Horsekatto wrote:

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3. Little kids, do not care much about the amount of effort in art but instead how bright and fun it looks. This could end up in a decrease in popularity for the scratchers who draw and animate. While Scratch isn't for popularity, it can get a bit lonely when no one comments on a project that most likely took a year or more to finish.

Is this not already the case?

1. False, there are plenty of ethical ways to train AI.
2. And the code and mechanics are where those users get to be creative.
3. The same users who would use AI already use AI
4. Simple,.don't train it off inappropriate images.

GlitchedThrough wrote:

1. False, there are plenty of ethical ways to train AI.
2. And the code and mechanics are where those users get to be creative.
3. The same users who would use AI already use AI
4. Simple,.don't train it off inappropriate images.

Read my essay on it, specifically sections 3, 5, 6, and 7.

starlightsparker wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

1. False, there are plenty of ethical ways to train AI.
2. And the code and mechanics are where those users get to be creative.
3. The same users who would use AI already use AI
4. Simple,.don't train it off inappropriate images.

Read my essay on it, specifically sections 3, 5, 6, and 7.

You can run AI on most consumer level hardware, as it's incredibly cheap nowadays.
You can train AI on anything.
AI and real humans do art completely different, thus different art styles.
I think people using those points should teach themselves about how AI works.

GlitchedThrough wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

1. False, there are plenty of ethical ways to train AI.
2. And the code and mechanics are where those users get to be creative.
3. The same users who would use AI already use AI
4. Simple,.don't train it off inappropriate images.

Read my essay on it, specifically sections 3, 5, 6, and 7.

You can run AI on most consumer level hardware, as it's incredibly cheap nowadays.
You can train AI on anything.
AI and real humans do art completely different, thus different art styles.
I think people using those points should teach themselves about how AI works.

1. Okay, but they also mentioned the issue of costs on their blog…
2. Wdym
3. “Generate this in a comic-like style” and etc

starlightsparker wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

1. False, there are plenty of ethical ways to train AI.
2. And the code and mechanics are where those users get to be creative.
3. The same users who would use AI already use AI
4. Simple,.don't train it off inappropriate images.

Read my essay on it, specifically sections 3, 5, 6, and 7.

You can run AI on most consumer level hardware, as it's incredibly cheap nowadays.
You can train AI on anything.
AI and real humans do art completely different, thus different art styles.
I think people using those points should teach themselves about how AI works.

1. Okay, but they also mentioned the issue of costs on their blog…
2. Wdym
3. “Generate this in a comic-like style” and etc

1. Cause they're looking into DALL-E, a paid service.
2. To get an AI to start generating, it must be trained. When trained, you give it many files, and teach them about it.
3. Even then, different artists have different art styles. Same thing with AI models, which makes them largely detectable

At this point - it's too early to really say what the pros and cons of generative AI on Scratch might be. Maybe we should wait until the team has done some exploration and has some results before we leap to judgement.