What is the most difficult thing to program in Scratch?

Theismann

chrissaisanidiot wrote:
I'll state it again, a game with:

. 3D
. Artificial intelligence
. Multiplayer
. A lot of sprites, all of which need programs
. EXTREMELY good graphics
. A lot of levels
. Music & sound effects
. Use of cloud variables & own blocks
. Animations

This would be the hardest thing, by far in my opinion

Alberknyis

SpaceKid11 wrote:
By far the most difficult project to program would be an open-world MMORPG that saves your data in cloud variables. It would be hard because you would have to register multiple players wandering across a vast over world. The cloud saves are also hard too because you can only have ten cloud variables and cloud saves are relatively hard to make.

People have been able to hack Scratch to get more than 10 cloud variables so multiplayer is no problem anymore. Cloud variables can apparently be set in hexadecimal, which lowers the number of characters used and also you can get past the 65535 character limit using TheLogFather's trick whenever necessary.

Cloud saves are indeed difficult, if you don't know how to do them. Give the task to Griffpatch, he'll do it and still have time for breakfast, lunch and supper.

Now the rendering would be a problem wouldn't it? Well it's a shame you didn't mention what the frame rate should be. You can program a HD 3D environment with no bugs for the low low frame rate of 10^-73 FPS.

Really, the only problem is the lag you're gonna have programming all this.

P444

cwkgavin367 wrote:
an FPSMMORPG

First Person Shooter Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game? How can an FPS be an RPG?? It should be TPS!
And not as hard as AI though.

Alberknyis

JamesOuO wrote:
JamesOuO wrote:
ealgase wrote:
JamesOuO wrote:
id say a program where when you press space a cat goes to a waffle and makes it hide when it touches it, then says: “yum, i like waffles!”

id like to see someone make that; but trick question/statement: you cant.
That's not that hard.
oh, it really is. none of my projects are even close to that.
why dont you try to make something like that; itll take you years!

I DID IT
IT TOOK MANY YEARS OF PAINSTAKING DEVELOPMENT, BUT HERE IT IS: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/48609398/

It took many years, but from my point of view you started at 7:55 and finished at 9:49. It took 7 years to move 114 minutes in the future.

So you know, you just time traveled.

That's a lot more impressive than the actual project you know.

Prinseskat

But if you're doing AI/3D/multiplayer, it depends on the complexity, too; an AI for Pong or Tic-Tac-Toe isn't too hard to make, while one that can play Chess perfectly and can have an actual conversation with a human might be a bit more of a challenge, y'know? Making a whole world completely rendered in 3D, and done so quickly with hardly any lag, is more complex than using the stamp tool. Multiplayer or saving stuff in cloud is a challenge, but a simple cloud list that saves usernames is easier than a multiplayer game with safe chat. So the hardest thing would be a 3D world with heaps to explore and other people you can talk to and an AI that could be mistaken for a human (so we get taken over by robots).

CatsUnited

Prinseskat wrote:
So the hardest thing would be a 3D world with heaps to explore and other people you can talk to and an AI that could be mistaken for a human (so we get taken over by robots).

Depending on it's size, it'll probably crash your browser/Flash Player. Also, an AI can never be human.

kvackkvack

Alberknyis wrote:
SpaceKid11 wrote:
By far the most difficult project to program would be an open-world MMORPG that saves your data in cloud variables. It would be hard because you would have to register multiple players wandering across a vast over world. The cloud saves are also hard too because you can only have ten cloud variables and cloud saves are relatively hard to make.

People have been able to hack Scratch to get more than 10 cloud variables so multiplayer is no problem anymore. Cloud variables can apparently be set in hexadecimal, which lowers the number of characters used and also you can get past the 65535 character limit using TheLogFather's trick whenever necessary.

Cloud saves are indeed difficult, if you don't know how to do them. Give the task to Griffpatch, he'll do it and still have time for breakfast, lunch and supper.

Now the rendering would be a problem wouldn't it? Well it's a shame you didn't mention what the frame rate should be. You can program a HD 3D environment with no bugs for the low low frame rate of 10^-73 FPS.

Really, the only problem is the lag you're gonna have programming all this.

Saving stuff to cloud is not difficult at all, you just need to think about it for an hour or so. And with self-made cloud lists, you won't need more than a few cloud variables, if even more than one.

chrissaisanidiot

Prinseskat

CatsUnited wrote:
Prinseskat wrote:
So the hardest thing would be a 3D world with heaps to explore and other people you can talk to and an AI that could be mistaken for a human (so we get taken over by robots).
Depending on it's size, it'll probably crash your browser/Flash Player. Also, an AI can never be human.

I know, that was an example. Though making something that's impossible is the hardest thing, I suppose, because you'll never accomplish it. XD
also its doesn't need an apostrophe since it could be mistaken for the contraction for it is.

Alberknyis

chrissaisanidiot wrote:

Of course there is an answer. We just haven't reached it yet.

But of course we can go further.

Right now we're trying to keep in realistic limits, but of course we could do the correct answer.
Which is pretty boring, which is why we're trying to creatively make actual possible things.

Infinite scripts.
Infinite costumes.
Infinite sprites.
And this:

when [timer v] > (0.01)
break

define break
reset timer
break::more blocks

Have that running while making your project.

And then also remember that your infinite scripts, sprites and costumes are there for a purpose.

And don't make it crash.

If you wanted the most difficult thing, that right there just reached about halfway to it.

djdolphin

No matter what answers you come up with, there's always going to be something more difficult to program.

Alberknyis

djdolphin wrote:
No matter what answers you come up with, there's always going to be something more difficult to program.

Which is why we're doing this! Cause there's no limit, so we can keep topping each other's opinions.

CatsUnited

Anything you don't know how to code.

Last edited by CatsUnited (Feb. 21, 2015 02:12:12)

Prinseskat

CatsUnited wrote:
Anything you don't know how to code.

But it's easier to learn some things than other…

Davidstudio

Alberknyis wrote:
chrissaisanidiot wrote:

Of course there is an answer. We just haven't reached it yet.

But of course we can go further.

Right now we're trying to keep in realistic limits, but of course we could do the correct answer.
Which is pretty boring, which is why we're trying to creatively make actual possible things.

Infinite scripts.
Infinite costumes.
Infinite sprites.
And this:
when [timer v] > (0.01)
break

define break
reset timer
break::more blocks
Have that running while making your project.

And then also remember that your infinite scripts, sprites and costumes are there for a purpose.

And don't make it crash.

If you wanted the most difficult thing, that right there just reached about halfway to it.

IN A WORLD…

chrissaisanidiot

Davidstudio wrote:
Alberknyis wrote:
chrissaisanidiot wrote:

Of course there is an answer. We just haven't reached it yet.

But of course we can go further.

Right now we're trying to keep in realistic limits, but of course we could do the correct answer.
Which is pretty boring, which is why we're trying to creatively make actual possible things.

Infinite scripts.
Infinite costumes.
Infinite sprites.
And this:
when [timer v] > (0.01)
break

define break
reset timer
break::more blocks
Have that running while making your project.

And then also remember that your infinite scripts, sprites and costumes are there for a purpose.

And don't make it crash.

If you wanted the most difficult thing, that right there just reached about halfway to it.
IN A WORLD…

CatsUnited

Why is everyone posting pics now?

P444

CatsUnited wrote:
Why is everyone posting pics now?

Welcome to the digital age

chrissaisanidiot

CatsUnited wrote:
Why is everyone posting pics now?

sk7725

A computer with scratch, internet games, youtube, email (cloud) , login system (with no hack) , powder toy, minecraft, learning program, and more!
Like, the best OS ever created in scratch!

when green flag clicked
ask [do you know scratch?] and wait
if <(answer) = [YES! ]> then  
broadcast [yes!!! v]

when I receive [ yes!!! v]
say [scratch on!]
switch costume to <<smile> or <big smile >>

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