cookieclickerer33 wrote:

EngineerRunner wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

NO

In order to do this you would have to expose the REAL LIFE location of your house to anyone who opens the project

You can mask your server's IP by using Cloudflare Tunnels

starlightsparker wrote:

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

Do you mean the sort of hacks people use to change the values of variables, or hacking to gain access to the system?

Doesn’t cloudflare cost money

nope iirc

I don’t think scratch team can afford this with their income for a basically useless feature as far as they are concerned (I think it’s a cool idea it’s just not viable)

(it’s actually $2,400 a year all at once or if they pay monthly it’s $3,000 a year)

although it would cost money to make, it would free up server space so ST has to buy less

LP372 wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I don’t think scratch team can afford this with their income for a basically useless feature as far as they are concerned (I think it’s a cool idea it’s just not viable)

(it’s actually $2,400 a year all at once or if they pay monthly it’s $3,000 a year)

although it would cost money to make, it would free up server space so ST has to buy less

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the internet

1. Who said that Scratch would need to pay for this
   
2. Cloud servers use little storage, with most data being stored in memory
   
3. Scratch would still have to maintain their own servers
   

alwayspaytaxes wrote:

LP372 wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I don’t think scratch team can afford this with their income for a basically useless feature as far as they are concerned (I think it’s a cool idea it’s just not viable)

(it’s actually $2,400 a year all at once or if they pay monthly it’s $3,000 a year)

although it would cost money to make, it would free up server space so ST has to buy less

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the internet

1. Who said that Scratch would need to pay for this
   
2. Cloud servers use little storage, with most data being stored in memory
   
3. Scratch would still have to maintain their own servers
   

quote: cloudflare is not needed, from all i know. scratch would use less server space making room for more projects and less client lag; the site would be less annoying to use. these squares are signs that server space is running out. -quote

The_Insane_Creator wrote:

alwayspaytaxes wrote:

LP372 wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I don’t think scratch team can afford this with their income for a basically useless feature as far as they are concerned (I think it’s a cool idea it’s just not viable)

(it’s actually $2,400 a year all at once or if they pay monthly it’s $3,000 a year)

although it would cost money to make, it would free up server space so ST has to buy less

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the internet

1. Who said that Scratch would need to pay for this
   
2. Cloud servers use little storage, with most data being stored in memory
   
3. Scratch would still have to maintain their own servers
   

quote: cloudflare is not needed, from all i know. scratch would use less server space making room for more projects and less client lag; the site would be less annoying to use. these squares are signs that server space is running out. -quote

also: cloud hacking may be less prone to occur; the default location of the scratch servers is already known, homes are private - scratch servers are public

alwayspaytaxes wrote:

LP372 wrote:

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I don’t think scratch team can afford this with their income for a basically useless feature as far as they are concerned (I think it’s a cool idea it’s just not viable)

(it’s actually $2,400 a year all at once or if they pay monthly it’s $3,000 a year)

although it would cost money to make, it would free up server space so ST has to buy less

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation on the internet

1. Who said that Scratch would need to pay for this
   
2. Cloud servers use little storage, with most data being stored in memory
   
3. Scratch would still have to maintain their own servers
   

It's like installing solar panels it would cost money to code but save money after it was implememted

posting on this topic, if the answer is NOT related to the question - will get you reported for necroposting

this topic will be closed in 1 week if someone doesn't answer

bump

I mean, I would absolutely never participate in this myself, but…

do I care if all the other Scratchers go bankrupt? Nah… HEY WAIT READ THIS, I WAS KIDDING!!!

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

-effortIess- wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

I know. But that’s for the website and it’s developers to see, not random USERS on the website. I’m concerned that it could be leaked to users that aren’t supposed to see it

starlightsparker wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

I know. But that’s for the website and it’s developers to see, not random USERS on the website. I’m concerned that it could be leaked to users that aren’t supposed to see it

Ready post a page back.
That should say everything about the possibility of this.
That is, a middle man server.

GlitchedThrough wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

I know. But that’s for the website and it’s developers to see, not random USERS on the website. I’m concerned that it could be leaked to users that aren’t supposed to see it

Ready post a page back.
That should say everything about the possibility of this.
That is, a middle man server.

necropost of shame

The_Insane_Creator wrote:

(#52)
-snip-
necropost of shame

It's not a necropost, this topic was created too recently for any necroposts to happen. Plus, it was on-topic (I'm assuming you're using the word necropost instead of off-topic).
Also, necroposts don't exist in the Suggestions forum (but they kind of do if it's off-topic).

The_Insane_Creator wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

I know. But that’s for the website and it’s developers to see, not random USERS on the website. I’m concerned that it could be leaked to users that aren’t supposed to see it

Ready post a page back.
That should say everything about the possibility of this.
That is, a middle man server.

necropost of shame

Do you know what necroposting is?
It doesn't exist in suggestions.

starlightsparker wrote:

-effortIess- wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

LP372 wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

I’d rather not let a project know my location

Only ST Would. There would have to be some security measures to stop hacking tho

I’d rather not let ST know my location

Anyways, what if someone hacked the project servers with api or something??

I don’t know if you realize it, but they already know your IP. In fact, any website you visit is able to see it. It’s just up to the site to decide whether or not to store it.
That’s why the ST can IP ban belligerent users (which would be impossible without their knowing the users’s IPs).

I know. But that’s for the website and it’s developers to see, not random USERS on the website. I’m concerned that it could be leaked to users that aren’t supposed to see it

Ok, you said, quote, “I’d rather not let the ST know my location.” But I digress.

Why does the ST need to share your personal IP for this system to work? Wouldn’t that go against their privacy policies?

LP372 wrote:

(#4)
Semi-support, it would save scratch money but a hacker could use it to find your address because they could find the wifi

IPs only show the city and ISP.

LP372 wrote:

Well, ST manages to mask theirs

Source?

EDIT: I just realized there were 2 more pages… oops
Anyway, the goal of hosting it on user’s networks is to allow for more… server space?
There is a problem in that:
1. You would slow your internet speed.
2. It would be controlled by the hosts, who would be users, and thus could cause moderation problems.
3. The WiFi routers themselves (without modding by the user) wouldn’t be able to run a cloud server, so it must be run from a device on the network.
4. This device would need to be on 24/7.
5. Most scratch users are kids. They aren’t going to understand how to setup a server, port-forward through the firewall, and protect themselves from hackers. It would be a risk for the hosts to host the servers.

1. Potentially, but to a very minor amount.
2. How?
3. Yes they can. All routers essentially just, well, route information.
4. Turning off a computer does more harm then good.
5. Quick setup, maybe we should have older users do it, see my last page statement on the middle man server, no firewall required, and if you mean a SQL Injection, no one uses plain text databases anymore. Not if they're SQL at least.
Also, it wouldn't be a risk for the user.

GlitchedThrough wrote:

1. Potentially, but to a very minor amount.
2. How?
3. Yes they can. All routers essentially just, well, route information.
4. Turning off a computer does more harm then good.
5. Quick setup, maybe we should have older users do it, see my last page statement on the middle man server, no firewall required, and if you mean a SQL Injection, no one uses plain text databases anymore. Not if they're SQL at least.
Also, it wouldn't be a risk for the user.

1. yea
2. For the users to host anything, they would need to have some server program. The users could modify this server program to read incoming IPs or do other things with the information they are given.
3. I'm talking about installing software to run the server. As far as I know (which isn't saying much), routers don't let users modify their programming (except for maybe updates).
4. I… don't understand.
5. Yea, I guess.

(This is all with the assumption that the devices hosting the cloud servers will download a software to run the server, and then connect to the scratch servers through their router.)

I honestly support this, this could be used to make some really cool technical projects and perhaps take a bit of strain off of scratch's servers .

Yes, somebody could find your IP address, but any person with sufficient knowledge to run such a cloud server probably knows the (very minor) risks. Knowing somebody's IP address is almost never a security risk in of itself anyways.