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- The-Sushi-Cat
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Onion Skins and Scratch
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I used an animation site on my DS when I was extremely young. I had no idea what anything was or what it did. One thing I did understand, was onion skin. (Although I called it “oink skin” lol)I knew it was a tool to help me see my last frame.
Kids are not going to be as confused as you think they are. Here is probably how far the confusion will go:
“What does this button do?”
“I wonder why it shows me my previous costume. That's weird.”
They're not gonna be so confused that they quit Scratch and never interact with it again.
Besides, you don't know if they'll think it's part of their costume or not. This hasn't been added, and there isn't a way of knowing that. And they can turn it off.
And for the echo thing, that is worlds different. Echo can repeat loud sounds that can overstimulate or overwhelm them extremely fast. It wasn't removed because it was ‘too complicated’. Onion skin, is just opacity change in your previous sprite, then an underlay so you can draw on top of it. Besides, I'd probably like a source. There may be other reasons for it's removal.
Me understanding the feature also doesn't change how simple it is. It's just a button you hit. No one is going to quit Scratch over it. Or be so confused that they never want to make projects again.
And about the space issue, if a costume is already made, then that is the storage part. It's basically already stored, so it won't take up storage, or at least it would take up a small amount.
I'm also confused about your definition of complicated. There is so much you can do in Scratch, and quite a bit of it, is extremely complicated. Functions, would have destroyed younger me, before I even started adding code to them. It asking if I wanted a Boolean, would have made me never want to use those again. But I wanted to experiment with all the stuff I didn't understand in the costume editor because it was simple for me to figure out. A kid doesn't have to understand everything immediately. ST themselves stated that they want people to be able to climb high, which is why functions are there, despite many younger kids having trouble figuring out what a ‘boolean’ is. So, even if it was too complicated for kids (which it isn't) we already have complex things that a lot of people don't understand until they get older and do some research or test it out for a while.
Last edited by The-Sushi-Cat (Jan. 13, 2024 19:54:08)
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Try to refrain from saying, ‘No support’. It comes off as extremely negative. “The forums are for criticism! Don't post it you don't want it!” Agreed. But I never said that you should agree with everyone. No suggestion will ever be perfect
What sounds more constructive?
“No support, people would spam with it”
“This would lead to a lot of spam, since people can't get away from it. Not to mention, it might upset a few people with the way it's implemented”
In #1, you didn't help OP at all. You said you didn't like it, and why. Nothing else. Not even what was causing the issue of spam
In #2, you pointed out the flaws and the root causes of them. Flaws shouldn't always get a suggestion absolutely ignored
And simply supporting doesn't always help either. It's not a voting system, it's improving your ideas. There's going to be cons, there's going to be flaws, and that's the point of the suggestions. No suggestion is ever 100% perfect in any way
Here are some things you can look out for:
-Are there any flaws/cons that haven't been addressed or fixed?
-Is this idea fully flushed out? Or are there some questions you can ask?
-Are there any flaws that you know how to fix or do you know how to flush something out a bit more?
-Is there anyone else who is confused and needs some clarification?
If you don't have to do any of these, then you can move on!
Is a suggestion unable to be added because it's just impossible? Point out why and have them decide what to do next
But still, try not to say ‘no support’
- PaperMarioFan2022
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- The-Sushi-Cat
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Onion Skins and Scratch
Bump please i want this so bad i would kill for this (/j) it would make animating so much easier please-
Making a counterargument? Look here first!
An evil kumquat ate my first username lol
Call me Sushi!
They/He/It/She in order of preference
A little part of me dies inside when someone says, “He/She” instead of just using they-
Try to refrain from saying, ‘No support’. It comes off as extremely negative. “The forums are for criticism! Don't post it you don't want it!” Agreed. But I never said that you should agree with everyone. No suggestion will ever be perfect
What sounds more constructive?
“No support, people would spam with it”
“This would lead to a lot of spam, since people can't get away from it. Not to mention, it might upset a few people with the way it's implemented”
In #1, you didn't help OP at all. You said you didn't like it, and why. Nothing else. Not even what was causing the issue of spam
In #2, you pointed out the flaws and the root causes of them. Flaws shouldn't always get a suggestion absolutely ignored
And simply supporting doesn't always help either. It's not a voting system, it's improving your ideas. There's going to be cons, there's going to be flaws, and that's the point of the suggestions. No suggestion is ever 100% perfect in any way
Here are some things you can look out for:
-Are there any flaws/cons that haven't been addressed or fixed?
-Is this idea fully flushed out? Or are there some questions you can ask?
-Are there any flaws that you know how to fix or do you know how to flush something out a bit more?
-Is there anyone else who is confused and needs some clarification?
If you don't have to do any of these, then you can move on!
Is a suggestion unable to be added because it's just impossible? Point out why and have them decide what to do next
But still, try not to say ‘no support’
- yadayadayadagoodbye
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
Onion Skins and Scratch
im no proffesional name giver, however, that would definitly be less confusing then “onion skins”. It can definitly be simplified further to make more sense. It being confusing isn't really a valid argument consideringIt is also viable to add a description for it, just like the descriptions for the blocks in 2.0Not exactly, this option would be pretty easy to understand if they named it something that doesn't sound so much like a food.
But that's what it's called. Calling it something else would confuse people especially if they know it's actually called an onion skin.
And you could always just called it “show previous costume as overlay”, which is straightforward enough that it can be understood via common sense and a bit of expirementation atmost
- That's even longer!!! That'd confuse many kids.
- Most kids don't know what overlay is so it would be very confusing.
([atan v] of ())exists, which is something only covered in highschool (maybe not even covered in hs depending on your education system)
longer doesnt really mean more confusing anyways, is “The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog” more clear or “fox jump dog” more clear?
“Most kids don't know what overlay is” isn't really supported by any evidence, I could also say “most kids dont know what transparency is” yet
set video transparency to () %exists
- Barney_at_Bonels83
- Scratcher
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Onion Skins and Scratch
bump needs more responses
SPONGES CAN POST ON FORUMS TOO
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https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/706823/?page=2#post-7471830
Yeah, and we should also celebrate Annoy Squidward day on February 15th! /hj
Still, good idea. Even if it wouldn't be that big an addition, it would be a fun thing to see. I'm sure a majority of users would enjoy it, or at least not hate it.source
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- littleMAHER1
- Scratcher
100+ posts
Onion Skins and Scratch
Does Scratch Team even browse these forums? Like if they did then they would have seen this huge post by now and realized this is something people wanted
- The-Sushi-Cat
- Scratcher
500+ posts
Onion Skins and Scratch
Bump
Making a counterargument? Look here first!
An evil kumquat ate my first username lol
Call me Sushi!
They/He/It/She in order of preference
A little part of me dies inside when someone says, “He/She” instead of just using they-
Try to refrain from saying, ‘No support’. It comes off as extremely negative. “The forums are for criticism! Don't post it you don't want it!” Agreed. But I never said that you should agree with everyone. No suggestion will ever be perfect
What sounds more constructive?
“No support, people would spam with it”
“This would lead to a lot of spam, since people can't get away from it. Not to mention, it might upset a few people with the way it's implemented”
In #1, you didn't help OP at all. You said you didn't like it, and why. Nothing else. Not even what was causing the issue of spam
In #2, you pointed out the flaws and the root causes of them. Flaws shouldn't always get a suggestion absolutely ignored
And simply supporting doesn't always help either. It's not a voting system, it's improving your ideas. There's going to be cons, there's going to be flaws, and that's the point of the suggestions. No suggestion is ever 100% perfect in any way
Here are some things you can look out for:
-Are there any flaws/cons that haven't been addressed or fixed?
-Is this idea fully flushed out? Or are there some questions you can ask?
-Are there any flaws that you know how to fix or do you know how to flush something out a bit more?
-Is there anyone else who is confused and needs some clarification?
If you don't have to do any of these, then you can move on!
Is a suggestion unable to be added because it's just impossible? Point out why and have them decide what to do next
But still, try not to say ‘no support’
- NamePending_
- Scratcher
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Onion Skins and Scratch
topic go bump bump
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- yadayadayadagoodbye
- Scratcher
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They do, its just apparently there some things going on where they really can't do much stuff that fast. I mean, that dark mode topic legit has like 100 pages or something and thats not implemented either. Does Scratch Team even browse these forums? Like if they did then they would have seen this huge post by now and realized this is something people wanted
anyways just recently got into art and OH MY GOODNESS this is such a useful feature
- DangerPuppy10
- Scratcher
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Onion Skins and Scratch
I do not think the ST adds ideas based off of the number of supporters, but the idea itself. Does Scratch Team even browse these forums? Like if they did then they would have seen this huge post by now and realized this is something people wanted
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- PaperMarioFan2022
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- LP372
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this policyPlease don't add unnecessary links Please don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against
Imma say no support as I don't even know what that is
- LP372
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Does Scratch Team even browse these forums?
Yes, but they can't view all posts
- PaperMarioFan2022
- Scratcher
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(#473)I think you got something confused there in your post.
Please don't add unnecessary links
Please don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against this policy
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I wasn't confused(#473)I think you got something confused there in your post.
Please don't add unnecessary linksPlease don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against this policy
- PaperMarioFan2022
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(#476)You said that they were posting unnecessary links. They weren't, clearly.I wasn't confused(#473)I think you got something confused there in your post.
Please don't add unnecessary linksPlease don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against this policy
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Your confused read closely(#476)You said that they were posting unnecessary links. They weren't, clearly.I wasn't confused(#473)I think you got something confused there in your post.
Please don't add unnecessary linksPlease don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against this policy
- PaperMarioFan2022
- Scratcher
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(#478)I don't see said post, so I'm confused now.
Your confused read closely
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- alwayspaytaxes
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What???this policyPlease don't add unnecessary links Please don't add links to browser extensions, userstyles or userscripts - that's going against
Imma say no support as I don't even know what that isWow, what an informed opinion
Anyways, Scratch should implement this exactly how the legendary TurboWarp did if Scratch EVER PLANS TO ADD ONION SKINS AHGHGHHGHGHHH THEY WILL NEVER AGGAGAHGAHAG. TurboWarp makes it so beautifully unambiguous and simple to use
Last edited by alwayspaytaxes (March 6, 2024 17:05:20)
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