randomguy3513 wrote:

Wouldn't that just start catching on what gets censored and then start using those words as slang

ExampleBadUser wrote:

Your a female dog!

Wouldn't that just become slang for the B word and the other words you mentioned right when people start catching on.

Most people use the replacement phrases appropriately, so I don't think so. The only reason someone might use the appropriate phrase for an inappropriate meaning of an inappropriate synonym would be to bypass censors, which violates the SCGs.

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I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply not used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

issue: what if this makes the comment go past the charachter limit, this would let you spam tons of scensored short words that become big ones

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply not barely used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

I mean, very few people use such words appropriately. This suggestion would benefit people who do so as well.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

issue: what if this makes the comment go past the charachter limit, this would let you spam tons of currently scensored short words that become big ones

Although very rare, there are people who use such words appropriately. This would make it easier for those people to use such words appropriately. Given that many people know the appropriate meanings of the words yadayadayadagoodbye was talking about, it is possible to find the intention of the text in question.

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply barely not used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

I mean, very few people use such words appropriately. This suggestion would people who do so as well.
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However, it benefits more towards the people who uses it in innapropriate ways by giving them a bypass. Sure, ST can always delete them, but then whats the point in having a filter at all?

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply barely not used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

I mean, very few people use such words appropriately. This suggestion would people who do so as well.
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However, it benefits more towards the people who uses it in innapropriate ways by giving them a bypass. Sure, ST can always delete them, but then whats the point in having a filter at all?

Having a filter even after this suggestion gets implemented prevents inappropriate words with no appropriate meanings.

It’s still inappropriate

viscape wrote:

It’s still inappropriate

What is still inappropriate?

Scratchassets would redirect to scratchassets. This would fix the filtering of it

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Scratchassets would redirect to scratchassets. This would fix the filtering of it

How?

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply barely not used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

I mean, very few people use such words appropriately. This suggestion would people who do so as well.
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However, it benefits more towards the people who uses it in innapropriate ways by giving them a bypass. Sure, ST can always delete them, but then whats the point in having a filter at all?

Having a filter even after this suggestion gets implemented prevents inappropriate words with no appropriate meanings.

yet it doesn't prevent innapropriate words with appropriate meanings used innapropriately, and as most (if not all, theres like atmost 2, maybe 3 of them that doesn't have appropriate meanings) innapropriate words have appropriate meanings, this just gives people a free bypass.

This way, instead of getting muted, people can literally just use this system to communicate about innapropriate topics on scratch…
And sure, you can report them, but you can also report people without the filter, the reason the filter exists is to prevent the ease of discussing about innapropriate topics, while this suggestion would straight up defeat nearly the entire point of the filter by making it easy to discuss about these topics again…

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

I dont believe any sane person would use the b word as a way of saying “female dog”, (as its simply barely not used that way), and “your a female dog” isn't exactly respectful either.

Not to mention this just adds a list of bypasses for people, since anyone using these words would know these words mean their vulgar version, and thus this would simply allow people to use scratch to discuss not very appropriate things (for example, things about the chicken)

I mean, very few people use such words appropriately. This suggestion would people who do so as well.
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However, it benefits more towards the people who uses it in innapropriate ways by giving them a bypass. Sure, ST can always delete them, but then whats the point in having a filter at all?

Having a filter even after this suggestion gets implemented prevents inappropriate words with no appropriate meanings.

yet it doesn't prevent innapropriate words with appropriate meanings used innapropriately, and as most (if not all, theres like atmost 2, maybe 3 of them that doesn't have appropriate meanings) innapropriate words have appropriate meanings, this just gives people a free bypass.

This way, instead of getting muted, people can literally just use this system to communicate about innapropriate topics on scratch…
And sure, you can report them, but you can also report people without the filter, the reason the filter exists is to prevent the ease of discussing about innapropriate topics, while this suggestion would straight up defeat nearly the entire point of the filter by making it easy to discuss about these topics again…

New Scratchers being prohibited from using such words at all decreases the chance of inappropriate uses than if they weren't. Content containing such words will be added to the report queue immediately upon being posted, but neither prohibited nor removed. Replacing such words with their appropriate meanings not only benefits users who use such words appropriately, but can distort the meaning of the posted text for inappropriate uses.

Also, most users who use Scratch follow the SCGs, so I don't see any problem with my suggestion.

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CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

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New Scratchers being prohibited from using such words at all decreases the chance of inappropriate uses than if they weren't. Content containing such words will be added to the report queue immediately upon being posted, but neither prohibited nor removed. Replacing such words with their appropriate meanings not only benefits users who use such words appropriately, but can distort the meaning of the posted text for inappropriate uses.

Also, most users who use Scratch follow the SCGs, so I don't see any problem with my suggestion.

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You'd be suprised to find out the sheer amount of people who doesn't follow or doesn't even know about the CG
The issue here is that that would add a whole lot more (and by alot more, I mean a LOT more) reports into the queu, not to mention it still allows people to talk about innapropriate topics more easily. It really won't take that long before people start normalizing “female dog” as an insult.
Also note that rarely are these words you've mentioned ever used appropriately, if we were to consider it, words such as the name of a certain MLP character is used way more commonly then “female dog” or “poop” (atleast appropriately).

New scratchers being prohibited is helpful, however, it won't be preventative enough, I've seen people wait all the time until Scratcher rank just to bypass, i'm not sure why they'd do that, but its not even that uncommon. (And don't forget the massive group of scratchers who for whatever reason thinks swearing or discussion of certain not-so-appropriate topics are OK, and how this group would grow extremely fast if they were to see that certain words previously censored are now only replaced)

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

CodeLearnerSai wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

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New Scratchers being prohibited from using such words at all decreases the chance of inappropriate uses than if they weren't. Content containing such words will be added to the report queue immediately upon being posted, but neither prohibited nor removed. Replacing such words with their appropriate meanings not only benefits users who use such words appropriately, but can distort the meaning of the posted text for inappropriate uses.

Also, most users who use Scratch follow the SCGs, so I don't see any problem with my suggestion.

(please snip)
You'd be suprised to find out the sheer amount of people who doesn't follow or doesn't even know about the CG
The issue here is that that would add a whole lot more (and by alot more, I mean a LOT more) reports into the queu, not to mention it still allows people to talk about innapropriate topics more easily. It really won't take that long before people start normalizing “female dog” as an insult.
Also note that rarely are these words you've mentioned ever used appropriately, if we were to consider it, words such as the name of a certain MLP character is used way more commonly then “female dog” or “poop” (atleast appropriately).

New scratchers being prohibited is helpful, however, it won't be preventative enough, I've seen people wait all the time until Scratcher rank just to bypass, i'm not sure why they'd do that, but its not even that uncommon. (And don't forget the massive group of scratchers who for whatever reason thinks swearing or discussion of certain not-so-appropriate topics are OK, and how this group would grow extremely fast if they were to see that certain words previously censored are now only replaced)

Users can report inappropriate contexts of that phrase or any other appropriate meaning of a word rarely used appropriately for that matter, and the ST can always delete them and sometimes ban the users in question as well.
Per my previous message, the replacing of words can distort inappropriate uses of them.
Also, where have you seen users wait to gain the Scratcher status to bypass restrictions?

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