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Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
p.s. this is long due to me also posting the entirety of the TOS, no need to read all of it. This is just me ranting about FNAF content on Scratch.
This is a stupid thing to post about, but why did the Team shadow ban searching for projects related to Five Nights at Freddy’s and its community? I get that this is their site, but for those who are going to say ‘they don’t want horror games shared on this site, it’s for children’ i have to say shush thine facial, because there are horror games on here. It’s solely FNAF related projects that can’t be searched for. However, this got me thinking if you can sue the ST for the ban.
Scratch is their website, and they have the right to do what they want with it, but they do not have control over what people post about. The projects shared on here are meant to be shown to and be seen by everyone, and since the project technically belongs to whoever made it and the ST can’t do anything about it.
For those of you who will tell me to read the Community Guidelines or the TOS, I already have and they say nothing about content the ST doesn’t like, just things about sharing discrimination propaganda and to be kind to others*. Scratch cannot technically remove the ability to search for people’s projects, it is in the project’s creator’s right to have it be seen.
In short, the ST cannot technically remove people from seeing a project, no matter if they like it or not, it’s up to the rules in the guidelines and the people of the community to decide if something isn’t allowed to be posted.
*Here is everything stated in the TOS CG, which can also be found under the Legal and Community section if you scroll all the way down:
Community Guidelines: Scratch is a friendly and welcoming community for everyone, where people create, share, and learn together. We welcome people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities. Help keep Scratch a welcoming, supportive, and creative space for all by following these Community Guidelines:
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Scratchers have diverse backgrounds, interests, identities, and experiences. Everyone on Scratch is encouraged to share things that excite them and are important to them—we hope that you find ways to celebrate your own identity on Scratch, and allow others to do the same. It’s never OK to attack a person or group’s identity or to be unkind to someone about their background or interests.
Be safe: keep personal and contact information private.
For safety reasons, don't give out any information that could be used for private communication, in person or online. This includes sharing real last names, phone numbers, addresses, hometowns, school names, email addresses, usernames or links to social media sites, video chatting applications, or websites with private chat functionality.
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Everyone on Scratch is learning. When commenting on a project, remember to say something you like about it, offer suggestions, and be kind, not critical. Please keep comments respectful and avoid spamming or posting chain mail. We encourage you to try new things, experiment, and learn from others.
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This is a stupid thing to post about, but why did the Team shadow ban searching for projects related to Five Nights at Freddy’s and its community? I get that this is their site, but for those who are going to say ‘they don’t want horror games shared on this site, it’s for children’ i have to say shush thine facial, because there are horror games on here. It’s solely FNAF related projects that can’t be searched for. However, this got me thinking if you can sue the ST for the ban.
Scratch is their website, and they have the right to do what they want with it, but they do not have control over what people post about. The projects shared on here are meant to be shown to and be seen by everyone, and since the project technically belongs to whoever made it and the ST can’t do anything about it.
For those of you who will tell me to read the Community Guidelines or the TOS, I already have and they say nothing about content the ST doesn’t like, just things about sharing discrimination propaganda and to be kind to others*. Scratch cannot technically remove the ability to search for people’s projects, it is in the project’s creator’s right to have it be seen.
In short, the ST cannot technically remove people from seeing a project, no matter if they like it or not, it’s up to the rules in the guidelines and the people of the community to decide if something isn’t allowed to be posted.
*Here is everything stated in the TOS CG, which can also be found under the Legal and Community section if you scroll all the way down:
Community Guidelines: Scratch is a friendly and welcoming community for everyone, where people create, share, and learn together. We welcome people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, abilities, sexual orientations, and gender identities. Help keep Scratch a welcoming, supportive, and creative space for all by following these Community Guidelines:
Treat everyone with respect.
Scratchers have diverse backgrounds, interests, identities, and experiences. Everyone on Scratch is encouraged to share things that excite them and are important to them—we hope that you find ways to celebrate your own identity on Scratch, and allow others to do the same. It’s never OK to attack a person or group’s identity or to be unkind to someone about their background or interests.
Be safe: keep personal and contact information private.
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Embrace remix culture.
Remixing is when you build upon someone else’s projects, code, ideas, images, or anything else they share on Scratch to make your own unique creation.
Remixing is a great way to collaborate and connect with other Scratchers. You are encouraged to use anything you find on Scratch in your own creations, as long as you provide credit to everyone whose work you used and make a meaningful change to it. And when you share something on Scratch, you are giving permission to all Scratchers to use your work in their creations, too.
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4.3 All user-generated content you submit to Scratch is licensed to and through Scratch under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. This allows others to view and remix your content. This license also allows the Scratch Team to display, distribute, and reproduce your content on the Scratch website, through social media channels, and elsewhere. If you do not want to license your content under this license, then do not share it on Scratch.
4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
4.5 Although the Scratch Team requires all users to comply with these Terms of Use, some inappropriate user-generated content may be submitted and displayed on the Scratch website. You understand that when you use Scratch you may be exposed to user-generated content that you find objectionable or offensive. If you see any content that violates the Community Guidelines or Terms of Use, please let us know by using the “Report this” button. You only need to report an item once. The Scratch Team reviews reported content every day.
4.6 In addition to reviewing reported user-generated content, the Scratch Team reserves the right, but is not obligated, to monitor all uses of the Scratch service. The Scratch Team may edit, move, or delete any content that violates the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines, without notice.
4.7 All user-generated content is provided as-is. The Scratch Team makes no warranties about the accuracy or reliability of any user-generated content available through Scratch and does not endorse Scratch Day events or vet or verify information posted in connection with said events. The Scratch Team does not endorse any views, opinions, or advice expressed in user-generated content. You agree to relieve the Scratch Team of any and all liability arising from your user-generated content and from Scratch Day events you may organize or host.
5. Scratch Content and Licensing
5.1 Except for any user-generated content, the Scratch Team owns and retains all rights in and to the Scratch code, the design, functionality, and architecture of Scratch, and any software or content provided through Scratch (collectively “the Scratch IP”). If you want to use Scratch in a way that is not allowed by these Terms of Use, you must first contact the Scratch Team. Except for any rights explicitly granted under these Terms of Use, you are not granted any rights in and to any Scratch IP.
5.2 Scratch provides support materials, including images, sounds, video, and sample code, to help users build projects. Support materials are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. You may also use screenshots of Scratch under the same license. Please note that this does not apply to materials that are also trademarked by the Scratch Team or other parties as described in parts 5.4 and 5.5, below.
The Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license requires you to attribute any material you use to the original author. When you use Scratch support materials, or screenshots of the Scratch website, please use the following attribution: "Scratch is developed by the Lifelong Kindergarten Group at the MIT Media Lab. See http://scratch.mit.edu.“
5.3 The source code for Scratch 1.4 is available for download and subject to the copyright notice as indicated on the Scratch FAQ page.
5.4 The Scratch name, Scratch logo, Scratch Day logo, Scratch Cat, and Gobo are Trademarks owned by the Scratch Team. The MIT name and logo are Trademarks owned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Unless you are licensed by Scratch under a specific licensing program or agreement, you may not use these logos to label, promote, or endorse any product or service. You may use the Scratch Logo to refer to the Scratch website and programming language.
5.5 The Scratch support materials library may contain images and sounds that are trademarked by third parties. The fact that materials are included in the Scratch support materials library does not in any way limit or reduce intellectual property rights, including trademark rights, otherwise available to the materials' owners. Nothing in these Terms of Use or the Creative Commons 2.0 license will be construed to limit or reduce any party's rights in that party's valid trademarks. You may not use these materials to label, promote, or endorse any product or service. You are solely responsible for any violation of a third party's intellectual property rights caused by your misuse of these materials.
6. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
6.1 If you are a copyright holder and believe that content on Scratch violates your rights, you may send a DMCA notification to copyright@scratch.mit.edu. For more information, including the information that must be included in a DMCA notification, see our full DMCA Policy and the text of the DMCA, 17 U.S.C. § 512.
6.2 If you are a Scratch user and you believe that your content did not constitute a copyright violation and was taken down in error, you may send a notification to copyright@scratch.mit.edu. Please include:
Your Scratch username and email address;
The specific content you believe was taken down in error; and
A brief statement of why you believe there was no copyright violation (e.g., the content was not copyrighted, you had permission to use the content, or your use of the content was a ”fair use“).
7. Suspension and Termination of Accounts
7.1 Scratch has the right to suspend your account for violations of the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines. Repeat violators may have their account deleted. The Scratch Team reserves the sole right to determine what constitutes a violation of the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines. The Scratch Team also reserves the right to terminate any account used to circumvent prior enforcement of the Terms of Use.
7.2 If you want to delete or temporarily disable your account, please email help@scratch.mit.edu.
8. Third Party Websites
8.1 Content on Scratch, including user-generated content, may include links to third party websites. The Scratch Team is not capable of reviewing or managing third party websites, and assumes no responsibility for the privacy practices, content, or functionality of third party websites. You agree to relieve the Scratch Team of any and all liability arising from third party websites.
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You agree to indemnify MIT, the Scratch Team, the Scratch Foundation, and all their affiliates, employees, faculty members, fellows, students, agents, representatives, third party service providers, and members of their governing boards (all of which are ”Scratch Entities“), and to defend and hold each of them harmless, from any and all claims and liabilities (including attorneys' fees) arising out of or related to your breach of the Terms of Service or your use of Scratch.
For federal government agencies, provisions in the Terms of Use relating to Indemnification shall not apply to your Official Use, except to the extent expressly authorized by federal law. For state and local government agencies in the United States, Terms of Use relating to Indemnification shall apply to your Official Use only to the extent authorized by the laws of your jurisdiction.
10. Disclaimer of Warranty
You acknowledge that you are using Scratch at your own risk. Scratch is provided ”as is," and the Scratch Entities hereby expressly disclaim any and all warranties, express and implied, including but not limited to any warranties of accuracy, reliability, title, merchantability, non-infringement, fitness for a particular purpose or any other warranty, condition, guarantee or representation, whether oral, in writing or in electronic form, including but not limited to the accuracy or completeness of any information contained therein or provided by Scratch. Without limiting the foregoing, the Scratch Entities disclaim any and all warranties, express and implied, regarding user-generated content and Scratch Day events. The Scratch Entities and their third party service providers do not represent or warrant that access to Scratch will be uninterrupted or that there will be no failures, errors or omissions or loss of transmitted information, or that no viruses will be transmitted through Scratch services.
11. Limitation of Liability
The Scratch Entities shall not be liable to you or any third parties for any direct, indirect, special, consequential or punitive damages of any kind, regardless of the type of claim or the nature of the cause of action, even if the Scratch Team has been advised of the possibility of such damages. Without limiting the foregoing, the Scratch Entites shall have no liability to you or any third parties for damages or harms arising out of user-generated content or Scratch Day events.
12. Jurisdiction
Scratch is offered by the Scratch Team from its facilities in the United States. The Scratch Team makes no representations that Scratch is appropriate or available for use in other locations. Those who access or use Scratch are responsible for compliance with local law.
13. Choice of Law and Venue
You agree that these Terms of Use, for all purposes, shall be governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts applicable to contracts to be wholly performed therein, and any action based on, relating to, or alleging a breach of the Terms of Use must be brought in a state or federal court in Suffolk County, Massachusetts. In addition, both parties agree to submit to the exclusive personal jurisdiction and venue of such courts.
If you are a federal, state, or local government entity in the United States using Scratch in your official capacity and legally unable to accept the controlling law, jurisdiction or venue clauses above, then those clauses do not apply to you. For such U.S. federal government entities, these Terms and any action related thereto will be governed by the laws of the United States of America (without reference to conflict of laws) and, in the absence of federal law and to the extent permitted under federal law, the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (excluding choice of law).
14. Choice of Language
If the Scratch Team provides you with a translation of the English language version of these Terms of Use, the Privacy Policy, or any other policy, then you agree that the translation is provided for informational purposes only and does not modify the English language version. In the event of a conflict between a translation and the English version, the English version will govern.
15. No Waiver
No waiver of any term of these Terms of Use shall be deemed a further or continuing waiver of such term or any other term, and the Scratch Team's failure to assert any right or provision under these Terms of Use shall not constitute a waiver of such right or provision.
16. Entire Agreement
This document, together with all appendices, constitutes the entire Terms of Use and supersedes all previous agreements with the Scratch Team relating to the use of Scratch. Revision date: April 2016.
Appendix A: Additional Terms for Scratch Day Website
The following additional terms also govern your access to and use of web pages hosted within day.scratch.mit.edu/ (collectively, the “Scratch Day Site”). All of the terms set forth in the general Terms of Use above also apply to the Scratch Day Site, unless we clearly state otherwise.
1. Privacy Policy
The Scratch Day Site Privacy Policy, not the Scratch Privacy Policy, describes how the Scratch Team uses, collects, and stores information it collects through the Scratch Day Site. By using the Scratch Day Site, you agree that you are comfortable with the Privacy Policy.
2. Account Creation and Maintenance
2.1 In order to post an event to the Scratch Day Site, you will need to register and create an account. This account is a separate account from your Scratch account. All registrants must be over 18 years of age. When registering for a personal account, you will be asked to provide certain personal information, such as your email address, first and last name, and Scratch username (optional). Please see the Scratch Day Site Privacy Policy for Scratch’s data retention and usage policies.
2.2 You are responsible for keeping your password secret and your account secure. You are solely responsible for any use of your account, even if your account is used by another person. If any use of your account violates the Terms of Use, your account may be suspended or deleted.
2.3 If you have reason to believe that your account is no longer secure (for example, in the event of a loss, theft, or unauthorized disclosure of your password), promptly change your password. If you cannot access your account to change your password, notify us at scratchday@media.mit.edu
2.4 The terms set forth in this section apply to the Scratch Day Site. The Account Creation and Maintenance terms in the general Terms of Use do not apply to the Scratch Day Site.
3. No Endorsement
You understand that neither MIT, nor the Scratch Team, nor the Code to Learn Foundation endorses any Scratch Day event. If you are hosting a Scratch Day event, you may not state or imply that MIT, the Scratch Team, or the Code to Learn Foundation has endorsed your event.
Appendix B: Additional Terms for ScratchX Website
The following additional terms also govern your access to and use of web pages hosted within scratchx.org (collectively, the “ScratchX Site”). All of the terms set forth in the general Terms of Use above also apply to the ScratchX Site, unless we clearly state otherwise.
1. ScratchX and GitHub
The ScratchX Site provides a platform for developers to link their experimental extensions to Scratch. However, we do not host those extensions or save them on the ScratchX site. All the extensions loaded on to ScratchX are hosted publicly on independent developers’ accounts on GitHub. Your use of GitHub is subject to GitHub’s Terms of Service and Privacy.
2. Privacy Policy
The ScratchX Site Privacy Policy, not the Scratch Privacy Policy, describes how the Scratch Team uses, collects, and stores information it collects through the ScratchX Site. By using the ScratchX Site, you agree to the terms of the Privacy Policy.
3. No Endorsement
By using ScratchX, you understand that neither MIT, nor the Scratch Team, nor the Code to Learn Foundation endorses any ScratchX experimental extension. If you are a developer linking to your own experimental extension via the ScratchX site, you may not state or imply that MIT, the Scratch Team, or the Code to Learn Foundation has endorsed your extension
Last edited by LennyMicBob (Dec. 14, 2023 17:56:29)
- GlitchedThrough
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New Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
I think you misunderstand how it works.
So, the ST moderates and has the final say, the right under the first amendment to moderate it as they want.
As we’re under a private website, free speech laws don’t apply. The websites owner can decide if something you can say on the street is allowed.
Similarly, they can decide what you talk or post about on the site. They also aren’t being disrespectful by removing stuff.
EDIT: They also have responsibility over what people share or even save on the servers.
So, the ST moderates and has the final say, the right under the first amendment to moderate it as they want.
As we’re under a private website, free speech laws don’t apply. The websites owner can decide if something you can say on the street is allowed.
Similarly, they can decide what you talk or post about on the site. They also aren’t being disrespectful by removing stuff.
EDIT: They also have responsibility over what people share or even save on the servers.
Last edited by GlitchedThrough (Dec. 14, 2023 18:02:31)
- Zydrolic
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
You cannot sue them, that is not how court works, you cannot sue someone for a ban.
EDIT: Also, NFE exists for one reason: If something is on the verge of being inappropriate, the creator wouldn't have to complain and whine that their project was taken down, instead, it supresses nearly-inappropriate stuff. Call it stupid as you may want, but don't forget FNaF's story is still kidnap and murder, and horror games are allowed as long as they don't contain jumpscares or any age warning and abide by the gc, so that excuse won't work.
Guess this reminds me the FNaF community hasn't changed one bit…
(#1)Copypasting the entire Q&A on The FNaF Policy - Cutting it short, still read the below: The story is the reason, and jumpscares.
This is a stupid thing to post about, but why did the Team shadow ban searching for projects related to Five Nights at Freddy’s and its community?
Why not implement an age appropriateness rating system on Scratch?
Everything shared in our community should be appropriate for all ages. Any type of age restriction by the Scratch Team, community members, or creators isn’t aligned with this philosophy.
Can I put a disclaimer on my Scratch project to warn people it's not for all ages?
Everything shared in our community should be appropriate for all ages. Any content that requires a disclaimer or warning isn't aligned with this philosophy and would not be suitable for Scratch. If a warning is needed, it is probably not appropriate for Scratch.
Will all Five Nights at Freddy’s and similar content be unshared?
No. We’ll only unshare content that violates our Community Guidelines. For example: An emulation of or conversation about Five Nights at Freddy’s containing any of the elements described above is not okay.
Will this lead to my account being blocked?
In most cases, no. However, continuing to share content that violates the Community Guidelines can result in your account being blocked.
Will I be able to reshare projects removed by the Scratch Team?
Yes, as long as you remove the parts that are inappropriate — the jumpscares, the scary backstory, the frightening images, or any other content that isn’t appropriate. If you have any questions about whether the changes you've made are appropriate for re-sharing, please reach out to Contact Us.
My project was removed. Where can I find it?
If your project violated the Community Guidelines, it was unshared. In most cases you can now find it in your Unshared folder.
Why are you unsharing FNAF projects instead of Scratch projects X,Y, or Z which are far scarier?
This policy applies to all content that is violent, scary, or too intense for all ages. Not just FNAF. If you are aware of other Scratch projects that you feel go against the Community Guidelines, please use the Report button on the projects so we can check them out.
Why are you unsharing my project for being “too scary” when my 6 year-old nephew / sibling / cousin loves it and doesn't think it's scary?
Finding one example of a younger person that is not disturbed by FNAF or similar content doesn't prove that there aren't many others who do find it disturbing. We have heard feedback from many kids, parents, and teachers over the years who feel that some FNAF and similar content in projects are not appropriate for Scratch.
EDIT: Also, NFE exists for one reason: If something is on the verge of being inappropriate, the creator wouldn't have to complain and whine that their project was taken down, instead, it supresses nearly-inappropriate stuff. Call it stupid as you may want, but don't forget FNaF's story is still kidnap and murder, and horror games are allowed as long as they don't contain jumpscares or any age warning and abide by the gc, so that excuse won't work.
Guess this reminds me the FNaF community hasn't changed one bit…
Last edited by Zydrolic (Dec. 14, 2023 18:05:30)
- jvvg
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
With regards to suing them, this is a really important part of the Terms of Use that often gets overlooked:
In other words, the Scratch Team can remove content for any reason they see fit, or for no reason at all, including the reason that they “feel like it,” and you have no legal recourse.
The Scratch Team reserves the sole right to determine what constitutes a violation of the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines.
In other words, the Scratch Team can remove content for any reason they see fit, or for no reason at all, including the reason that they “feel like it,” and you have no legal recourse.
- jvvg
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
Scratch cannot technically remove the ability to search for people’s projects, it is in the project’s creator’s right to have it be seen.This is not correct. You have no such right. Nowhere does it say in the Terms of Use that you have that right, and as I indicated in my previous post, the Scratch Team can remove content for any or no reason.
If your justification is the first amendment, let me provide a copy of it, straight from the US government:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.The text says that Congress shall make no law infringing on free speech. The Scratch Foundation is not Congress and thus is not bound by the text of the amendment. The caveat is that their powers are limited to within their own site; you are welcome to post whatever content you want on other sites and the Scratch Team can't stop you other than taking action against you on Scratch. The only real “rights” you have on Scratch are the rights given to you under the Creative Commons license for your projects (which basically means the right to receive credit when others remix your content) and the right to leave (i.e. the Scratch Team cannot force you to stay on the site).
- LennyMicBob
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Scratcher
9 posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
You cannot sue them, that is not how court works, you cannot sue someone for a ban.didn’t know they specifically said why they don’t like FNAF content, thanks!(#1)Copypasting the entire Q&A on The FNaF Policy - Cutting it short, still read the below: The story is the reason, and jumpscares.
This is a stupid thing to post about, but why did the Team shadow ban searching for projects related to Five Nights at Freddy’s and its community?Why not implement an age appropriateness rating system on Scratch?
Everything shared in our community should be appropriate for all ages. Any type of age restriction by the Scratch Team, community members, or creators isn’t aligned with this philosophy.
Can I put a disclaimer on my Scratch project to warn people it's not for all ages?
Everything shared in our community should be appropriate for all ages. Any content that requires a disclaimer or warning isn't aligned with this philosophy and would not be suitable for Scratch. If a warning is needed, it is probably not appropriate for Scratch.
Will all Five Nights at Freddy’s and similar content be unshared?
No. We’ll only unshare content that violates our Community Guidelines. For example: An emulation of or conversation about Five Nights at Freddy’s containing any of the elements described above is not okay.
Will this lead to my account being blocked?
In most cases, no. However, continuing to share content that violates the Community Guidelines can result in your account being blocked.
Will I be able to reshare projects removed by the Scratch Team?
Yes, as long as you remove the parts that are inappropriate — the jumpscares, the scary backstory, the frightening images, or any other content that isn’t appropriate. If you have any questions about whether the changes you've made are appropriate for re-sharing, please reach out to Contact Us.
My project was removed. Where can I find it?
If your project violated the Community Guidelines, it was unshared. In most cases you can now find it in your Unshared folder.
Why are you unsharing FNAF projects instead of Scratch projects X,Y, or Z which are far scarier?
This policy applies to all content that is violent, scary, or too intense for all ages. Not just FNAF. If you are aware of other Scratch projects that you feel go against the Community Guidelines, please use the Report button on the projects so we can check them out.
Why are you unsharing my project for being “too scary” when my 6 year-old nephew / sibling / cousin loves it and doesn't think it's scary?
Finding one example of a younger person that is not disturbed by FNAF or similar content doesn't prove that there aren't many others who do find it disturbing. We have heard feedback from many kids, parents, and teachers over the years who feel that some FNAF and similar content in projects are not appropriate for Scratch.
EDIT: Also, NFE exists for one reason: If something is on the verge of being inappropriate, the creator wouldn't have to complain and whine that their project was taken down, instead, it supresses nearly-inappropriate stuff. Call it stupid as you may want, but don't forget FNaF's story is still kidnap and murder, and horror games are allowed as long as they don't contain jumpscares or any age warning and abide by the gc, so that excuse won't work.
Guess this reminds me the FNaF community hasn't changed one bit…
- yadayadayadagoodbye
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
For those of you who will tell me to read the Community Guidelines or the TOS, I already have and they say nothing about content the ST doesn’t like, just things about sharing discrimination propaganda and to be kind to others*.bro wdym
7.1 Scratch has the right to suspend your account for violations of the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines. Repeat violators may have their account deleted. The Scratch Team reserves the sole right to determine what constitutes a violation of the Terms of Use or Community Guidelines. The Scratch Team also reserves the right to terminate any account used to circumvent prior enforcement of the Terms of Use.
Yes, they do have control over what people post here, and while yes, what they post do belong to themselves*, that doesn't mean ST cant hide them (its just like how you can own your phone, but if you bring it in my house, I can tell you to get that phone out of my darn house and never bring it in my house ever again, and I have the right to do so, I just cant steal your phone)
*in the sense that they own the license, however, as the license is CC2.0, people can use these things with credit
- bloctans_4
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
-SNIIIIIPPPPP-why do you want to sue the ST for fnaf anyways
- PaperMarioFan2022
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
Exactly. In this case, it defeats the purpose of attempting to sue the ST over a ban that was lawfully and fairly agreed upon.-SNIIIIIPPPPP-why do you want to sue the ST for fnaf anyways
- i_eat_coffee
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
Nope, you cannot sue them the same way you can't sue the blue bird social media app for taking down your post because it was disrespectful.
- bloctans_4
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Scratcher
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
FNAF is over ratedExactly. In this case, it defeats the purpose of attempting to sue the ST over a ban that was lawfully and fairly agreed upon.-SNIIIIIPPPPP-why do you want to sue the ST for fnaf anyways
also can be considered scary to younger individuals
if you wanna make a FNAF fangame, use a scratch fork and post it on a site that supports FNAF content
- GlitchyZorua
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Scratcher
100+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
FNAF is over ratedExactly. In this case, it defeats the purpose of attempting to sue the ST over a ban that was lawfully and fairly agreed upon.-SNIIIIIPPPPP-why do you want to sue the ST for fnaf anyways
also can be considered scary to younger individuals
if you wanna make a FNAF fangame, use a scratch fork and post it on a site that supports FNAF content
what does overrated have to do with it being scary?
- LennyMicBob
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Scratcher
9 posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
exactly, it’s not scary. The fan content on the other hand…FNAF is over ratedExactly. In this case, it defeats the purpose of attempting to sue the ST over a ban that was lawfully and fairly agreed upon.-SNIIIIIPPPPP-why do you want to sue the ST for fnaf anyways
also can be considered scary to younger individuals
if you wanna make a FNAF fangame, use a scratch fork and post it on a site that supports FNAF content
what does overrated have to do with it being scary?
- GlitchyZorua
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Scratcher
100+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
-snip-exactly, it’s not scary. The fan content on the other hand…
what does overrated have to do with it being scary?
uhhhh….
Last edited by GlitchyZorua (Dec. 14, 2023 19:04:36)
- Paddle2See
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Scratch Team
1000+ posts
Why did the ST shadow ban searching for FNAF related content and could you theoretically sue them for it?
Your argument that FNAF should be allowed because there are other horror games on Scratch doesn't really hold water. If you know of other horror games on Scratch to the extent that FNAF is - please feel free to let us know through Contact Us and we'll see if we can get those added to the search filter too.
As for whether you can sue over this - sure, you can sue pretty much anybody over anything. Lawyers will happily take your money. But finding a court that will hear the case is another matter - and getting a positive ruling is yet another.
Anyway - these forums are for helping Scratchers use Scratch the language and Scratch the site better. Let's not take up the bandwidth with this kind of thing. If you are looking to mount a legal action against Scratch, please find another place to discuss it.
As for whether you can sue over this - sure, you can sue pretty much anybody over anything. Lawyers will happily take your money. But finding a court that will hear the case is another matter - and getting a positive ruling is yet another.
Anyway - these forums are for helping Scratchers use Scratch the language and Scratch the site better. Let's not take up the bandwidth with this kind of thing. If you are looking to mount a legal action against Scratch, please find another place to discuss it.
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