Heyo! People are calling Blockly-based coding languages such as MakeCode Scratch Rip-offs when all are based on Blockly **INCLUDING SCRATCH**! What do you guys think?

I don't think much of it

Scratch is a good idea, so it's no wonder that competitors have come out over the years. My favorite is probably Snap!, which is like Scratch for more advanced applications.

Steve0Greatness wrote:

Scratch is a good idea, so it's no wonder that competitors have come out over the years. My favorite is probably Snap!, which is like Scratch for more advanced applications.

Turbowarp is best imo

glitcX wrote:

Turbowarp is best imo

That's a fair opinion. Turbowarp is incredibly extendable. Only thing I like about Snap! better is that it allows you to make far more elaborate reporters(boolean and values) and custom blocks without having to think about touching JavaScript.

Just for reference, here's most of the windows under “Make a Block”


If somebody made a fork of Turbowarp that did all of this whilst keeping the extensibility and speed, it'd 100% be the definitive Scratch mod… but sadly, that doesn't exist. The Sphenisciformes mod comes close, but it's just not there yet.

This just reminded me of something:
There was a website that copied the code of Scratch that showed in search results, and it kept breaking, eventually not allowing you to sign in when the website was still up (basically it would get 503 errors, go back up, and then did the same thing over and over again). It got raided, it had no filter or report button so there were (no report button since it acted as if it was unshared yet others could see it, so there were also no comments or messages or remixing).. yeah. When you went to the download Scratch 2.0 page, it said it couldn’t get what the current version was (v461) LOL. You could login to any account since any password worked, so people managed to get onto the admin account, and created studios (they made it so only admins could create studios), it just got completely raided, so it had literally no security. The profile page was interesting (one thing was it didn’t match the rest of the website at all), and they made their own pages for some scratchr2 pages (one was studios since it was still scratchr2 when the website was made). The default project was the same except the first costume of the default sprite was the unicorn sprite from Scratch so you could still see the Scratch Cat for the second costume, and the default costume/sprite/backdrop was created as Sprite/costume/backdrop{index} so the second costume was costume{index}2. It was amazing and beautiful yet horrifying all at the same time. Going to the url now, it’s a completely different website. When it was still up but accounts broke, I used my userstyles and user scripts to make it look more like Scratch 2.0.

Oh, and it would randomly delete my instructions and notes and credits text.

medians wrote:

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What even is the point of running a website like that? Maybe they were trying to steal passwords or something

medians wrote:

This just reminded me of something:
There was a website that copied the code of Scratch that showed in search results, and it kept breaking, eventually not allowing you to sign in when the website was still up (basically it would get 503 errors, go back up, and then did the same thing over and over again). It got raided, it had no filter or report button so there were (no report button since it acted as if it was unshared yet others could see it, so there were also no comments or messages or remixing).. yeah. When you went to the download Scratch 2.0 page, it said it couldn’t get what the current version was (v461) LOL. You could login to any account since any password worked, so people managed to get onto the admin account, and created studios (they made it so only admins could create studios), it just got completely raided, so it had literally no security. The profile page was interesting (one thing was it didn’t match the rest of the website at all), and they made their own pages for some scratchr2 pages (one was studios since it was still scratchr2 when the website was made). The default project was the same except the first costume of the default sprite was the unicorn sprite from Scratch so you could still see the Scratch Cat for the second costume, and the default costume/sprite/backdrop was created as Sprite/costume/backdrop{index} so the second costume was costume{index}2. It was amazing and beautiful yet horrifying all at the same time. Going to the url now, it’s a completely different website. When it was still up but accounts broke, I used my userstyles and user scripts to make it look more like Scratch 2.0.

Oh, and it would randomly delete my instructions and notes and credits text.

You mean PlayCodePony? That was quite the playground for us Scratchers.

davidtheplatform wrote:

medians wrote:

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What even is the point of running a website like that? Maybe they were trying to steal passwords or something

That’s what I thought it was.
Also I kept accidentally clicking the logo thinking it would go to the homepage of the fake Scratch site, but it went to their main site instead. The main site still seems to be up.

PPPDUD wrote:

Oh, and it would randomly delete my instructions and notes and credits text.

You mean PlayCodePony? That was quite the playground for us Scratchers.
Yep, or CodyPony.
Edit: also I meant 502 not 503

Steve0Greatness wrote:

Scratch is a good idea, so it's no wonder that competitors have come out over the years. My favorite is probably Snap!, which is like Scratch for more advanced applications.

Is it even fair to consider snap a scratch remake anymore? It directly influenced scratch with custom blocks. It’s more just another engine entirely than a remake

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Steve0Greatness wrote:

Scratch is a good idea, so it's no wonder that competitors have come out over the years. My favorite is probably Snap!, which is like Scratch for more advanced applications.

Is it even fair to consider snap a scratch remake anymore? It directly influenced scratch with custom blocks. It’s more just another engine entirely than a remake

I mean, they weren’t really saying it was a “remake”.

medians wrote:

I mean, they weren’t really saying it was a “remake”.

If I'm reading my post correctly, I said it was a Scratch competitor.

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medians wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

medians wrote:

Oh, and it would randomly delete my instructions and notes and credits text.

You mean PlayCodePony? That was quite the playground for us Scratchers.

Yep, or CodyPony.
Edit: also I meant 502 not 503

Absolutely wonderful website design

DifferentDance8 wrote:

medians wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

medians wrote:

Oh, and it would randomly delete my instructions and notes and credits text.

You mean PlayCodePony? That was quite the playground for us Scratchers.

Yep, or CodyPony.
Edit: also I meant 502 not 503

Absolutely wonderful website design
https://assets.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/.%2E/90a06cebe645e81ab808b88fe5409e15.png

Ha it's still in debug mode

I don't really think much about scratch mods except: https://turbowarp.org/

Scratch existed for years before Blockly. Still, most recent block-based kiddy languages took inspiration from Scratch the same way as Scratch took from its predecessors (e.g. StarLogo), and I wouldn't say any of them are really rip-offs.

bump

i'm still grateful for code.org's existence, it's literally the first coding website i ever used before i found out about scratch.

kk