DerpyPig03 wrote:

A new TCC era begins…

It's does indeed..

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

A new TCC era begins…

It's does indeed..

..The Dark Knight rises. again

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

Derpy's ideas

THEMES
- Batman's arc is changing his crusade from that of vengeance to that of justice
- Robin's arc is sacrificing his humanity for the crusade, making him dark and violent
- Harvey's arc is changing his crusade from that of justice to that of vengeance (a mirror of bats)
- Freeze's arc is sacrificing his humanity to save his wife (a mirror of robin)
- I feel like we should take inspiration from Long Halloween and similar Batman stories by including LOTS of members of Bats' rogues gallery. Not all of them should be in it a lot (in fact, most of their appearances should be brief). But if there is one thing the Arkham games have taught us, is that it feels more like Batman when lots of his enemies are coming at him from all sides

PLOT
Batman's been fighting crime in Gotham for 3 years now. He is incredibly violent and fights crime as a part of his crusade of vengeance. He brutalizes criminals and doesn't care about how bad he hurts them, as long as he doesn't kill. Grayson has already joined Bats as Robin, and subsequently left because Bruce is too consumed with revenge, becoming Nightwing.

Batman and Nightwing do a brief team-up and it helps Bruce realize what Robin represented: the light to combat Bruce's darkness. Realizing he needs someone to give him hope, Batman finds Jason trying to steal the tires from the Batmobile and decides to take him in as the new Robin. Jason has no motive for revenge, no tragic backstory (other than being an orphan), and no personal vendettas against a specific villain; he just likes the thrill of being a vigilante. Throughout the movie, he becomes increasingly more violent, losing sight of his humanity (acting as a source of darkness, rather than light as Bruce intended). Batman is able to kinda steer him back on track after going through his arc, but a confrontation in a sequel is inevitable

DA Harvey Dent is going after Mob boss Salvatore Maroni, prompting Bats to investigate Maroni too. Maroni kills someone close to Dent to get him to back off (his wife Gilda?), instead he kinda snaps and becomes a vigilante himself trying to kill Maroni. Dent becomes so consumed with vengeance, that Bats has to stop him from killing Maroni.

Meanwhile, Mr Freeze is another villain and he forces Bats to grapple with the fact that Freeze is committing crime to try to save his wife. Freeze is stealing tech to try to save his wife, but he gets more and more violent with each heist and becomes more and more inclined to killing civilians. Freeze's arc is becoming so desperate to save his wife (protect his family) that he loses sight of what made his wife love him (his humanity)

Freeze and Dent help Batman realize that his crusade can't be focused around vengeance, but justice. Batman and Robin stop Freeze (justice), but Bruce uses Wayne enterprises to help research a cure for Nora (not vengeance). Batman and Robin take out Maroni by exposing his criminal empire (justice), but they stop Dent from killing him (not vengeance).

CHARACTERS
- Batman/Bruce Wayne - doesn't care about his Bruce persona and gives up on Wayne enterprises stuff because he's so focused on vengeance. His battle with Falcone, Dent, and Freeze forces him to change the purpose of his crusade. Before, Batman was fighting crime to get revenge for Thomas and Martha. Now, Batman is fighting crime because it is the right thing to do. He isn't moving on from his parents' death, he is growing from it. Once his motives change from revenge to doing the right thing, he becomes more invested in using Wayne enterprises to help people (starting with Nora Fries)

- Robin/Jason Todd - Joins Batman and acts as what Batman intended: a source of light. He helps Bats keep his head and helps him fight the rogues of Gotham. But as the movie progresses, Jason gets a taste for violence and starts to lose his humanity, become darkness rather than light.

- Nightwing/Dick Grayson - Is sick of Bruce and his dark crusade. He believes that he is better than Bruce because he fights for justice, not vengeance. Inadvertently, reminds Bruce that the Batman needs Robin

- Alfred Pennyworth - very disapproving of Bruce's crusade for vengeance; grows to help Batman more as his motives change. Alfred's also got his classic origin of being an ex-RAF pilot and an ex-MI6 agent

- Commissioner Loeb - the corrupt police commissioner. The cops hunt Batman as a criminal due to his violent vigilantism. Batman exposes his mob connections

- Captain Gordon - the “one honest cop in Gotham”; believes what Batman is doing is wrong (violent vengeance), but is not opposed to vigilantes. Becomes commissioner at the end of the movie after Loeb is outed

- Lucius Fox - VP of Wayne Enterprises; doesn't know Bruce is Batman, but is beginning to suspect; tries to get Bruce to be more involved with the company

- Two-Face/Harvey Dent - Gotham's DA; is investigating Mob boss Salvatore Maroni. Secretly suffers from DID. As he realizes “justice” isn't going to work, he begins to adopt Batman-like vigilante tactics of going after Maroni (letting his other personality take the wheel more and more). His arc is the opposite of Bats, going from justice to vengeance. At the end Harvey is pretty much Two-Face (although he is not physically disfigured), and Bats has to stop him from killing Maroni. At the very end, Dent is shipped off to Arkham; while there, Dent's other personality cuts up one side of his face with a sharp piece of glass, to let the outside match the inside

- Mr Freeze/Victor Fries - cryogenics researcher at Wayne enterprises. At the beginning of the movie, he is obsessed with his research and neglects his wife, Nora. When she tries to visit him at the lab, she is exposed to toxic cryogenics. She is dying and now Fries must save her, so he dons his cryogenic research suit and freeze gun and starts stealing tech, without caring about the consequences on bystanders. During his first fight with Batman, Robin throws a batarang at Fries' cryo suit, blasting him cryogenic materials, turning him into Mr Freeze. At the end of the movie, Bats (having gone thru his arc) shows Fries that he sacrificed his humanity to protect his family and convinces Fries to surrender. Fries goes to Arkham, intent on becoming a better person, and Bruce promises to help him cure Nora

- Nora Fries - Victor's wife, is upset that Victor is so distant and gets caught in the cryo accident trying to reconnect with him. She ends the movie still comatose and dying from the cryogenics

- Salvatore Maroni - Mob boss of Gotham; controls most of the GCPD; is trying to kill Harvey to get him to stop investigating; killed Harvey's wife or something to make Harvey's hunt for him more personal

- Additional Batman Villains - Several other Batman villains should make appearances as added elements of chaos, similar to the Most Wanted Villains in the Arkham games; these would all be mostly minor appearances. Potential candidates include: Penguin, Killer Moth, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Kite-Man (in honor of Hex). Joker could also show up, but if he does he should be a more persistent element of chaos throughout the whole movie, constantly terrorizing the city and fouling things up for all the characters

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Derpy's ideas

THEMES
- Batman's arc is changing his crusade from that of vengeance to that of justice
- Robin's arc is sacrificing his humanity for the crusade, making him dark and violent
- Harvey's arc is changing his crusade from that of justice to that of vengeance (a mirror of bats)
- Freeze's arc is sacrificing his humanity to save his wife (a mirror of robin)
- I feel like we should take inspiration from Long Halloween and similar Batman stories by including LOTS of members of Bats' rogues gallery. Not all of them should be in it a lot (in fact, most of their appearances should be brief). But if there is one thing the Arkham games have taught us, is that it feels more like Batman when lots of his enemies are coming at him from all sides

PLOT
Batman's been fighting crime in Gotham for 3 years now. He is incredibly violent and fights crime as a part of his crusade of vengeance. He brutalizes criminals and doesn't care about how bad he hurts them, as long as he doesn't kill. Grayson has already joined Bats as Robin, and subsequently left because Bruce is too consumed with revenge, becoming Nightwing.

Batman and Nightwing do a brief team-up and it helps Bruce realize what Robin represented: the light to combat Bruce's darkness. Realizing he needs someone to give him hope, Batman finds Jason trying to steal the tires from the Batmobile and decides to take him in as the new Robin. Jason has no motive for revenge, no tragic backstory (other than being an orphan), and no personal vendettas against a specific villain; he just likes the thrill of being a vigilante. Throughout the movie, he becomes increasingly more violent, losing sight of his humanity (acting as a source of darkness, rather than light as Bruce intended). Batman is able to kinda steer him back on track after going through his arc, but a confrontation in a sequel is inevitable

DA Harvey Dent is going after Mob boss Salvatore Maroni, prompting Bats to investigate Maroni too. Maroni kills someone close to Dent to get him to back off (his wife Gilda?), instead he kinda snaps and becomes a vigilante himself trying to kill Maroni. Dent becomes so consumed with vengeance, that Bats has to stop him from killing Maroni.

Meanwhile, Mr Freeze is another villain and he forces Bats to grapple with the fact that Freeze is committing crime to try to save his wife. Freeze is stealing tech to try to save his wife, but he gets more and more violent with each heist and becomes more and more inclined to killing civilians. Freeze's arc is becoming so desperate to save his wife (protect his family) that he loses sight of what made his wife love him (his humanity)

Freeze and Dent help Batman realize that his crusade can't be focused around vengeance, but justice. Batman and Robin stop Freeze (justice), but Bruce uses Wayne enterprises to help research a cure for Nora (not vengeance). Batman and Robin take out Maroni by exposing his criminal empire (justice), but they stop Dent from killing him (not vengeance).

CHARACTERS
- Batman/Bruce Wayne - doesn't care about his Bruce persona and gives up on Wayne enterprises stuff because he's so focused on vengeance. His battle with Falcone, Dent, and Freeze forces him to change the purpose of his crusade. Before, Batman was fighting crime to get revenge for Thomas and Martha. Now, Batman is fighting crime because it is the right thing to do. He isn't moving on from his parents' death, he is growing from it. Once his motives change from revenge to doing the right thing, he becomes more invested in using Wayne enterprises to help people (starting with Nora Fries)

- Robin/Jason Todd - Joins Batman and acts as what Batman intended: a source of light. He helps Bats keep his head and helps him fight the rogues of Gotham. But as the movie progresses, Jason gets a taste for violence and starts to lose his humanity, become darkness rather than light.

- Nightwing/Dick Grayson - Is sick of Bruce and his dark crusade. He believes that he is better than Bruce because he fights for justice, not vengeance. Inadvertently, reminds Bruce that the Batman needs Robin

- Alfred Pennyworth - very disapproving of Bruce's crusade for vengeance; grows to help Batman more as his motives change. Alfred's also got his classic origin of being an ex-RAF pilot and an ex-MI6 agent

- Commissioner Loeb - the corrupt police commissioner. The cops hunt Batman as a criminal due to his violent vigilantism. Batman exposes his mob connections

- Captain Gordon - the “one honest cop in Gotham”; believes what Batman is doing is wrong (violent vengeance), but is not opposed to vigilantes. Becomes commissioner at the end of the movie after Loeb is outed

- Lucius Fox - VP of Wayne Enterprises; doesn't know Bruce is Batman, but is beginning to suspect; tries to get Bruce to be more involved with the company

- Two-Face/Harvey Dent - Gotham's DA; is investigating Mob boss Salvatore Maroni. Secretly suffers from DID. As he realizes “justice” isn't going to work, he begins to adopt Batman-like vigilante tactics of going after Maroni (letting his other personality take the wheel more and more). His arc is the opposite of Bats, going from justice to vengeance. At the end Harvey is pretty much Two-Face (although he is not physically disfigured), and Bats has to stop him from killing Maroni. At the very end, Dent is shipped off to Arkham; while there, Dent's other personality cuts up one side of his face with a sharp piece of glass, to let the outside match the inside

- Mr Freeze/Victor Fries - cryogenics researcher at Wayne enterprises. At the beginning of the movie, he is obsessed with his research and neglects his wife, Nora. When she tries to visit him at the lab, she is exposed to toxic cryogenics. She is dying and now Fries must save her, so he dons his cryogenic research suit and freeze gun and starts stealing tech, without caring about the consequences on bystanders. During his first fight with Batman, Robin throws a batarang at Fries' cryo suit, blasting him cryogenic materials, turning him into Mr Freeze. At the end of the movie, Bats (having gone thru his arc) shows Fries that he sacrificed his humanity to protect his family and convinces Fries to surrender. Fries goes to Arkham, intent on becoming a better person, and Bruce promises to help him cure Nora

- Nora Fries - Victor's wife, is upset that Victor is so distant and gets caught in the cryo accident trying to reconnect with him. She ends the movie still comatose and dying from the cryogenics

- Salvatore Maroni - Mob boss of Gotham; controls most of the GCPD; is trying to kill Harvey to get him to stop investigating; killed Harvey's wife or something to make Harvey's hunt for him more personal

- Additional Batman Villains - Several other Batman villains should make appearances as added elements of chaos, similar to the Most Wanted Villains in the Arkham games; these would all be mostly minor appearances. Potential candidates include: Penguin, Killer Moth, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Kite-Man (in honor of Hex). Joker could also show up, but if he does he should be a more persistent element of chaos throughout the whole movie, constantly terrorizing the city and fouling things up for all the characters

why is Robin's arc to literally become darker?

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

The main things I think we need (and these work with White Knight) are Jason as Robin and lots of Batman villains even if they arent the main villain (like Long Halloween or Most Wanted in Arkham)

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Jason being the first Robin is something I think could work. And adapting Terry at some point as well.

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Jason being the first Robin is something I think could work. And adapting Terry at some point as well.

And Azrael. He's epic.

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Jason being the first Robin is something I think could work. And adapting Terry at some point as well.

Why is Jason the first robin?

macandcheeseking wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Derpy's ideas

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why is Robin's arc to literally become darker?

Setting up for Red Hood in a sequel

I know some of you might object to this idea but I have some soundtrack ideas

Derpy good ideas!

macandcheeseking wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Jason being the first Robin is something I think could work. And adapting Terry at some point as well.

Why is Jason the first robin?

Don't think Jason needs to be the first, just the current. Grayson can be an ex-Robin/Nightwing

Abe, could you post an overview of White Knight? I need a refresher lol

DerpyPig03 wrote:

macandcheeseking wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

Platypus_WKeyboard wrote:

AbeHe wrote:

What about takin ideas from White Knight?

Yo I had the same idea, great comic line

Yep, it revamped a lot of characters so I think it would be fresh to take ideas from Knight, Curse, or Beyond.

Good idea, Derpy thoughts?

That could be interesting

Joker turning “good” might be too soon only 3 years into Batman's career, but maybe not

No, I think that purely should be an Elseworlds, but it has some other ideas we could pull from

Jason being the first Robin is something I think could work. And adapting Terry at some point as well.

Why is Jason the first robin?

Don't think Jason needs to be the first, just the current. Grayson can be an ex-Robin/Nightwing

Good point, but I think Jason being the first makes his return as Red Hood hit Bruce harder.

DerpyPig03 wrote:

Abe, could you post an overview of White Knight? I need a refresher lol

So the basic idea is that the Joker turns back to Napier after Batman forces him to take too many pills, a component of the story is that Gotham is not trusting of Batman over his destructive nature with Napier starting a task force that just does Bat's job for him (with batmobiles to boot). Some other plot points are…

There are two Harley's one is the traditional pre-new 52 version and the other is the post-52 version, the pre-52 is now sane after Joker tortures Jason Todd who revealed his secret (who Batman is) to the Joker. Freeze is in the series finding a way to unfreeze himself and Nora and his tech is stolen by Neo Joker (the second Harley)

Babs is Batman's sidekick with Nightwing helping, also it ends with Batman revealing his secret to Gordon

There's still more to the story but there's a lot more